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Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-28 by jammie

i was the person who did the testing for the ensoniqs for him, on what scsi to ide adapters worked

the uniflash is just a floppy emulator

if you have scsi its much faster and can have a 8gb cf card
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  Subject: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?


    



   has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

  here

  http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm



  Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

  http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


  
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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-28 by Ted Summers

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted
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On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-28 by jammie

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-28 by Windrum Scoggin

HA HA!
I believe it! Maybe they were members of the Odessa Files!
Maybe he and the dude from Route 66 are in exile with with Adolf Eichman and Mengle down in South America

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On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@gmail.com> wrote:

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/





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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-28 by Windrum Scoggin

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!
At the situation of course.....
Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...
Serves him right.
he's a NOOB now.
'NOBODY Out OF Business'


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On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by bmacdoug1 .

cant somebody that actually knows how to write firmware code open source this conversion easy? I mean is there intellectual property involved. IDE SCSI lund 0 1, is Arduino capable enough to do the math. Maybe not enough IO. Has anybody tried the SCSI CF drives from Japan, i just wish they were 75bucks not 150.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!

At the situation of course.....
Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...
Serves him right.
he's a NOOB now.
'NOBODY Out OF Business'


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On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by Ted Summers

Emax does not have IDE.
IDE is NOT the same as SCSI.

Different pinouts as well as different access protocols.

As to a DIY- CF SCSI drive- yes, it's been done.
By a guy in Germany, he used two Atmel programmable processors and SCSI controller IC's
But that wouldn't guarantee that the drive was SCSI-1 compatible, which is crucial for Emax compatibility.

Now- if possible it might be worth it where it had two slots.
I asked him if it was feasible to reprogram microcontrollers for 2 slots, and he said sure, but he wasn't interested in doing that project.

The problem is:
- it was still a single slot.
- parts cost almost $200 USD for a one off or small quantity per drive.

Especially as it required 2 separate PCBs (yes they were double sided)

To redo it as multi-layer board so you could have two slots- I have no idea how expensive that is, but then you have to double your chips (where you use his firmware).

You can begin to see why people don't do it- it's expensive…not just time, but the cost of parts.

SCM and Microtech drives have multilayer boards and custom silicon- which can be done when you are making 10000+ units have a whole dev team, etc…

Anyways, that's what I know about it….


-Ted









On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:18 PM, bmacdoug1 . wrote:


cant somebody that actually knows how to write firmware code open source this conversion easy? I mean is there intellectual property involved. IDE SCSI lund 0 1, is Arduino capable enough to do the math. Maybe not enough IO. Has anybody tried the SCSI CF drives from Japan, i just wish they were 75bucks not 150.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:
;

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!

At the situation of course.....
Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...
Serves him right.
he's a NOOB now.
'NOBODY Out OF Business'


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On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?


Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm


Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/





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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by Windrumscoggin

I say we bribe or pay SCM company to remanufacture the PCD's en mass but this time around use earth friendly materials and write firmware that makes every one of the Lund slots SCSI slots instead & compatible with  SCSI I II and III  protocol.
Sounds easy as pie, right?
Ha ha!
I imagine if you could do something like this you could sell these things to every musician on the planet wishing to upgrade their old SCSI machine with flash card capability
Imagine the market!
Ted, wanna start a business?
How hard do you think it would be to create a 'universal' SCSI flash card reader writer compatible with all SCSI capable musical instruments?
You and Jammie  seem to know more about the possibility of something like this being feasible so both your thoughts on this kind of thing even becoming a possibility?


On Oct 28, 2013, at 21:15, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

>

Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by jammie

its very old code you would first need to disasemble the original as there are no available
hard copies this takes a very long time plus there might be some logic requied to make the signals as its a much later protocol in 1990,s about 4-5 years later than the emax
those cf drives from japan will work but they dont have a case you will need to make one they are not hot swap
and they are a clone of the acard 7720u and use the mac firmware with a direct cf card interface instead of the ide port
the cf card interface is identacal to the ide in fact just in a smaller format
yes it would be nice to have them cheap but for a 4 layer pcb design and manufacture and all the custom chips required and the acard chip is already end of life so when they are gone they are gone
its a very expensive product to get made in small quantities
remember the pcd drives and others original price tags was £200-500 new
they only became cheap when they became redundent tech because of usb
and they were made for the photo shop processing machines which now use the cheaper usb devices
now if you had the code and can do a rewrite then usb would be able to be done and would be cheaper like on the korg dss1 im an installer for tom and we have talked about a few machines and doing usb conversions
ensoniq was one but i could not get the code released even though the company has been dead since the late 90,s
same with roland i tried to get a non disclosure agrement in to creating new pcm cards for the jd800/990/jv1080 and was told no by there lawyer team
rob of the emulator archive tried to get all the code for the emax and he got everything they had but the code was lost
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

cant somebody that actually knows how to write firmware code open source this conversion easy? I mean is there intellectual property involved. IDE SCSI lund 0 1, is Arduino capable enough to do the math. Maybe not enough IO. Has anybody tried the SCSI CF drives from Japan, i just wish they were 75bucks not 150.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!

At the situation of course.....
Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...
Serves him right.
he's a NOOB now.
'NOBODY Out OF Business'


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On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by jammie

scm are no more they went belly up were brought out by another manufacturer and now only do usb type drives
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Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

I say we bribe or pay SCM company to remanufacture the PCD's en mass but this time around use earth friendly materials and write firmware that makes every one of the Lund slots SCSI slots instead & compatible with SCSI I II and III protocol.
Sounds easy as pie, right?
Ha ha!
I imagine if you could do something like this you could sell these things to every musician on the planet wishing to upgrade their old SCSI machine with flash card capability
Imagine the market!
Ted, wanna start a business?
How hard do you think it would be to create a 'universal' SCSI flash card reader writer compatible with all SCSI capable musical instruments?
You and Jammie seem to know more about the possibility of something like this being feasible so both your thoughts on this kind of thing even becoming a possibility?

On Oct 28, 2013, at 21:15, Ted Summers wrote:

>

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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by jammie

to make a scsi to cf device very cheap you would need to have a garanteed user base 1000000+ unit manufacture so parts cost could be cheap but we are talking in millions of cash even before selling 1 item in parts manufacture wages taxes transport
packaging user manual
if it were that easy it would of been done and made
and as ted said a diy solution is going to cost a lot more in parts costs alone
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

I say we bribe or pay SCM company to remanufacture the PCD's en mass but this time around use earth friendly materials and write firmware that makes every one of the Lund slots SCSI slots instead & compatible with SCSI I II and III protocol.
Sounds easy as pie, right?
Ha ha!
I imagine if you could do something like this you could sell these things to every musician on the planet wishing to upgrade their old SCSI machine with flash card capability
Imagine the market!
Ted, wanna start a business?
How hard do you think it would be to create a 'universal' SCSI flash card reader writer compatible with all SCSI capable musical instruments?
You and Jammie seem to know more about the possibility of something like this being feasible so both your thoughts on this kind of thing even becoming a possibility?

On Oct 28, 2013, at 21:15, Ted Summers wrote:

>

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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by Windrumscoggin

I live in Silicon Valley
People throw away money on startup
Companies that go belly-up that makes
A million dollars look like Monopoly money
It could be done  if the demand for the product were
There. I just don't the demand/ money is in it or else
It yes, would have been done by now.

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On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:47, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

> to make a scsi to cf device very cheap you would need to have a garanteed user base 1000000+ unit manufacture so parts cost could be cheap but we are talking in millions of cash even before selling 1 item in parts manufacture wages taxes transport
>  
> packaging user manual
>  
> if it were that easy it would of been done and made
>  
> and as ted said a diy solution is going to cost a lot more in parts costs alone
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Windrumscoggin
> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?
> 
>  
> I say we bribe or pay SCM company to remanufacture the PCD's en mass but this time around use earth friendly materials and write firmware that makes every one of the Lund slots SCSI slots instead & compatible with SCSI I II and III protocol.
> Sounds easy as pie, right?
> Ha ha!
> I imagine if you could do something like this you could sell these things to every musician on the planet wishing to upgrade their old SCSI machine with flash card capability
> Imagine the market!
> Ted, wanna start a business?
> How hard do you think it would be to create a 'universal' SCSI flash card reader writer compatible with all SCSI capable musical instruments?
> You and Jammie seem to know more about the possibility of something like this being feasible so both your thoughts on this kind of thing even becoming a possibility?
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 21:15, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>

Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by Ted Summers

I contacted SCM support in Asia about 3 yrs ago- they no longer support the drives and legacy support was turned over to a third party vendor (at that time)- that is how I got the Read / Write firmware for the PCD-50b (from the legacy support vendor).

MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support from them (they won't modify the firmware unless you have shown a business need AND bought some drives, basically). And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective.
There was no price break until you bought like 100 drives, and then it was like $30 a drive or something like that....

now I can't get off their mailing list :-(

-Ted


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:40 AM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

its very old code you would first need to disasemble the original as there are no available
hard copies this takes a very long time plus there might be some logic requied to make the signals as its a much later protocol in 1990,s about 4-5 years later than the emax
those cf drives from japan will work but they dont have a case you will need to make one they are not hot swap
and they are a clone of the acard 7720u and use the mac firmware with a direct cf card interface instead of the ide port
the cf card interface is identacal to the ide in fact just in a smaller format
yes it would be nice to have them cheap but for a 4 layer pcb design and manufacture and all the custom chips required and the acard chip is already end of life so when they are gone they are gone
its a very expensive product to get made in small quantities
remember the pcd drives and others original price tags was £200-500 new
they only became cheap when they became redundent tech because of usb
and they were made for the photo shop processing machines which now use the cheaper usb devices
now if you had the code and can do a rewrite then usb would be able to be done and would be cheaper like on the korg dss1 im an installer for tom and we have talked about a few machines and doing usb conversions
ensoniq was one but i could not get the code released even though the company has been dead since the late 90,s
same with roland i tried to get a non disclosure agrement in to creating new pcm cards for the jd800/990/jv1080 and was told no by there lawyer team
rob of the emulator archive tried to get all the code for the emax and he got everything they had but the code was lost
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

cant somebody that actually knows how to write firmware code open source this conversion easy? I mean is there intellectual property involved. IDE SCSI lund 0 1, is Arduino capable enough to do the math. Maybe not enough IO. Has anybody tried the SCSI CF drives from Japan, i just wish they were 75bucks not 150.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!

At the situation of course.....
Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...
Serves him right.
he's a NOOB now.
'NOBODY Out OF Business'


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On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by bmacdoug1 .


Let me know how the Korg Dss-1 USB drive goes, I'm doing the same upgrade on my Dss-1. Kit looks real professional, i noticed how the first version was for SCSI, but was dropped in favor of the USB which makes sense.
I second the comment on Silicon Valley, monopoly money for real. Wasn't the Emax made in Scotts Valley? (15min from the Valley)
Thanks Again Ted for your insight on things
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Windrumscoggin <;windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

I live in Silicon Valley
People throw away money on startup
Companies that go belly-up that makes
A million dollars look like Monopoly money
It could be done if the demand for the product were
There. I just don't the demand/ money is in it or else
It yes, would have been done by now.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:47, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

to make a scsi to cf device very cheap you would need to have a garanteed user base 1000000+ unit manufacture so parts cost could be cheap but we are talking in millions of cash even before selling 1 item in parts manufacture wages taxes transport
packaging user manual
if it were that easy it would of been done and made
and as ted said a diy solution is going to cost a lot more in parts costs alone
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

I say we bribe or pay SCM company to remanufacture the PCD's en mass but this time around use earth friendly materials and write firmware that makes every one of the Lund slots SCSI slots instead & compatible with SCSI I II and III protocol.
Sounds easy as pie, right?
Ha ha!
I imagine if you could do something like this you could sell these things to every musician on the planet wishing to upgrade their old SCSI machine with flash card capability
Imagine the market!
Ted, wanna start a business?
How hard do you think it would be to create a 'universal'; SCSI flash card reader writer compatible with all SCSI capable musical instruments?
You and Jammie seem to know more about the possibility of something like this being feasible so both your thoughts on this kind of thing even becoming a possibility?

On Oct 28, 2013, at 21:15, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by Windrum Scoggin

"MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective."


NOT COST EFFECTIVE..THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!
How can they ever expect to sell an item whose USB equivalent is is anywhere from
5 dollars to 25 dollars?
If it is without the firmware then they are DAMNED PROUD of their devices and truly believe
that someone will eventually pay them since they are the only ones with the device (which I doubt the market demand is there so its wishful thinking pipe dreaming on MPL's part)
OR
If that is the price MPL wants for the unit WITH the firmware upgrade then its plain that they just
do not want to hassle withthe requirements of the firmware upgrade so they quoted you some astromical price just to get you to go away.
My question is if you can get the units cheaply, 'as is' from MPL then what would be the setback in simply figuring out a way do the upgrade
yourself or with the help of an inexpensive third party by simply reverse engineering one of our existing PC50/60B's?

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

I contacted SCM support in Asia about 3 yrs ago- they no longer support the drives and legacy support was turned over to a third party vendor (at that time)- that is how I got the Read / Write firmware for the PCD-50b (from the legacy support vendor).

MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support from them (they won't modify the firmware unless you have shown a business need AND bought some drives, basically). And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective.
There was no price break until you bought like 100 drives, and then it was like $30 a drive or something like that....

now I can't get off their mailing list :-(

-Ted


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:40 AM, jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

its very old code you would first need to disasemble the original as there are no available
hard copies this takes a very long time plus there might be some logic requied to make the signals as its a much later protocol in 1990,s about 4-5 years later than the emax
those cf drives from japan will work but they dont have a case you will need to make one they are not hot swap
and they are a clone of the acard 7720u and use the mac firmware with a direct cf card interface instead of the ide port
the cf card interface is identacal to the ide in fact just in a smaller format
yes it would be nice to have them cheap but for a 4 layer pcb design and manufacture and all the custom chips required and the acard chip is already end of life so when they are gone they are gone
its a very expensive product to get made in small quantities
remember the pcd drives and others original price tags was £200-500 new
they only became cheap when they became redundent tech because of usb
and they were made for the photo shop processing machines which now use the cheaper usb devices
now if you had the code and can do a rewrite then usb would be able to be done and would be cheaper like on the korg dss1 im an installer for tom and we have talked about a few machines and doing usb conversions
ensoniq was one but i could not get the code released even though the company has been dead since the late 90,s
same with roland i tried to get a non disclosure agrement in to creating new pcm cards for the jd800/990/jv1080 and was told no by there lawyer team
rob of the emulator archive tried to get all the code for the emax and he got everything they had but the code was lost
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

cant somebody that actually knows how to write firmware code open source this conversion easy? I mean is there intellectual property involved. IDE SCSI lund 0 1, is Arduino capable enough to do the math. Maybe not enough IO. Has anybody tried the SCSI CF drives from Japan, i just wish they were 75bucks not 150.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!

At the situation of course.....
Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...
Serves him right.
he's a NOOB now.
'NOBODY Out OF Business'


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On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


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RE: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by windrumscoggin@...

Yes, it was made in Scotts Valley and a LOT of the people that used to work for EMU are now over at Univeral Audio, who are also now, located in the Santa Cruz Mountains where EMU used to be. All of it 10 minutes down the road from the major manufacturing sites that used to do the LSI chips and Hard Drives and PCB's for so much of the EMU stuff out there. Since California has gotten so earthy conscience in the last two decades most manufacturing (which used to be of great quality btw) has been moved over to China where they have no rules concerning just how much gross pollutants they can shove into their atmosphere in the manufacturing process (Ah, how noble of us here in to California to 'ship our problems' overseas to the lowest manufacturing bidder.

All that aside, the guys up on SandHill Road in Palo Alto throw millions on Startups like its a joke...I know, as my ex was an executive VP with Adobe and she would tell me stories about Wednesday eves being 'Startup shmooze night' on SandHill Road where companies seeking venture capital gave trips to Paris for the female execs on the Startup board and trips to Thailand for the guys...No Shit....and often times, the money for the companies were simply tax write offs for the investors..we are talking hundreds of millions for dumb assed government backed rip off corporations such as Solyndra, etc....\

don't get me started...a PCD 60/B remanufacture venture would be consided 'chump change' to these guys.... its all just a matter of knowing who to talk to



---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Let me know how the Korg Dss-1 USB drive goes, I'm doing the same upgrade on my Dss-1. Kit looks real professional, i noticed how the first version was for SCSI, but was dropped in favor of the USB which makes sense.
I second the comment on Silicon Valley, monopoly money for real. Wasn't the Emax made in Scotts Valley? (15min from the Valley)
Thanks Again Ted for your insight on things
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Windrumscoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:
I live in Silicon Valley
People throw away money on startup
Companies that go belly-up that makes
A million dollars look like Monopoly money
It could be done if the demand for the product were
There. I just don't the demand/ money is in it or else
It yes, would have been done by now.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:47, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

to make a scsi to cf device very cheap you would need to have a garanteed user base 1000000+ unit manufacture so parts cost could be cheap but we are talking in millions of cash even before selling 1 item in parts manufacture wages taxes transport
packaging user manual
if it were that easy it would of been done and made
and as ted said a diy solution is going to cost a lot more in parts costs alone
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

I say we bribe or pay SCM company to remanufacture the PCD's en mass but this time around use earth friendly materials and write firmware that makes every one of the Lund slots SCSI slots instead & compatible with SCSI I II and III protocol.
Sounds easy as pie, right?
Ha ha!
I imagine if you could do something like this you could sell these things to every musician on the planet wishing to upgrade their old SCSI machine with flash card capability
Imagine the market!
Ted, wanna start a business?
How hard do you think it would be to create a 'universal' SCSI flash card reader writer compatible with all SCSI capable musical instruments?
You and Jammie seem to know more about the possibility of something like this being feasible so both your thoughts on this kind of thing even becoming a possibility?

On Oct 28, 2013, at 21:15, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by Ted Summers

The $800 price is the "as-is" it takes no account of whether or not they want more $$ for firmware changes.
I didn't say it didn't have firmware, I was saying it doesn't have firmware that will do what we want it to (SCSI - 1 compatibility).
Their main customers appear to be MILSPEC and embedded industrial, which when bidding for gov'ts we know they aren't worried about price....
and you wouldn't want to reverse engineer the SCM- they are LUN based.
We want a target based.
Target based drives only have maximum of 3 slots that I have ever seen, as that then takes 3 SCSI IDs.
Which is why SCSI went to LUN based infrastructure. So systems can literally have thousands of devices connected to them.... which they do now.... look at EMC VNX, VMAX, IBM XIV, HDS, etc having hundreds of disks in their storages....

It's easy to say "reverse engineer" something, but it's not as easy to do it.. and then sometimes it9;s illegal, etc.





On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

"MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective."


NOT COST EFFECTIVE..THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!
How can they ever expect to sell an item whose USB equivalent is is anywhere from
5 dollars to 25 dollars?
If it is without the firmware then they are DAMNED PROUD of their devices and truly believe
that someone will eventually pay them since they are the only ones with the device (which I doubt the market demand is there so its wishful thinking pipe dreaming on MPL's part)
OR
If that is the price MPL wants for the unit WITH the firmware upgrade then its plain that they just
do not want to hassle withthe requirements of the firmware upgrade so they quoted you some astromical price just to get you to go away.
My question is if you can get the units cheaply, 'as is' from MPL then what would be the setback in simply figuring out a way do the upgrade
yourself or with the help of an inexpensive third party by simply reverse engineering one of our existing PC50/60B's?

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

I contacted SCM support in Asia about 3 yrs ago- they no longer support the drives and legacy support was turned over to a third party vendor (at that time)- that is how I got the Read / Write firmware for the PCD-50b (from the legacy support vendor).

MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support from them (they won't modify the firmware unless you have shown a business need AND bought some drives, basically). And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective.
There was no price break until you bought like 100 drives, and then it was like $30 a drive or something like that....

now I can't get off their mailing list :-(

-Ted


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:40 AM, jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

its very old code you would first need to disasemble the original as there are no available
hard copies this takes a very long time plus there might be some logic requied to make the signals as its a much later protocol in 1990,s about 4-5 years later than the emax
those cf drives from japan will work but they dont have a case you will need to make one they are not hot swap
and they are a clone of the acard 7720u and use the mac firmware with a direct cf card interface instead of the ide port
the cf card interface is identacal to the ide in fact just in a smaller format
yes it would be nice to have them cheap but for a 4 layer pcb design and manufacture and all the custom chips required and the acard chip is already end of life so when they are gone they are gone
its a very expensive product to get made in small quantities
remember the pcd drives and others original price tags was £200-500 new
they only became cheap when they became redundent tech because of usb
and they were made for the photo shop processing machines which now use the cheaper usb devices
now if you had the code and can do a rewrite then usb would be able to be done and would be cheaper like on the korg dss1 im an installer for tom and we have talked about a few machines and doing usb conversions
ensoniq was one but i could not get the code released even though the company has been dead since the late 90,s
same with roland i tried to get a non disclosure agrement in to creating new pcm cards for the jd800/990/jv1080 and was told no by there lawyer team
rob of the emulator archive tried to get all the code for the emax and he got everything they had but the code was lost
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

cant somebody that actually knows how to write firmware code open source this conversion easy? I mean is there intellectual property involved. IDE SCSI lund 0 1, is Arduino capable enough to do the math. Maybe not enough IO. Has anybody tried the SCSI CF drives from Japan, i just wish they were 75bucks not 150.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...m> wrote:

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!

At the situation of course.....
Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...
Serves him right.
he's a NOOB now.
'NOBODY Out OF Business'


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On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by Windrum Scoggin

I work as an HVAC engineer for GSA/ Social Security Admin full time and since the recent Govt shutdown, and almost a couple years prior, our budgets have been really tight (although of course, much looser than the past). Nonetheless, I can assure you, the days of the 2k toilet seat for the space station are gone....we are worried about price...Perhaps back in the 80's and 90's we weren't, but we are now and I know if we needed these PCD units, we wouldn't pay that amount unless they were an absolutely integral component to an absolutely crucial system and the overall End Item cannot function without it. Only then, would we 'push go' on the ridiculous price but you can bet we'd be shopping for a new, overall End Item replacement because the Component of the End Item was going to eventualy, costing us too much.
We recently went through this with Carrier PIC Chiller Control Boards that were planned into Obsolescence. Carrier no longer makes the board and to replace our older boards (which priced at 795 new) we must pay 10K for a replacement or update the controls to PICII (25k) per Chiller and we have 4. Being we can get a brand new, complete chiller system for 32k each, you can see we will opt for the latter. Either way, they get you coming and going and its the game they play to plan obsolescene in order to push you into purchasing newer models every 10 years.
I am sure the IC/PCB/computer peripheral industry is no different.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

The $800 price is the "as-is" it takes no account of whether or not they want more $$ for firmware changes.
I didn't say it didn't have firmware, I was saying it doesn't have firmware that will do what we want it to (SCSI - 1 compatibility).
Their main customers appear to be MILSPEC and embedded industrial, which when bidding for gov'ts we know they aren't worried about price....
and you wouldn't want to reverse engineer the SCM- they are LUN based.
We want a target based.
Target based drives only have maximum of 3 slots that I have ever seen, as that then takes 3 SCSI IDs.
Which is why SCSI went to LUN based infrastructure. So systems can literally have thousands of devices connected to them.... which they do now.... look at EMC VNX, VMAX, IBM XIV, HDS, etc having hundreds of disks in their storages....

It's easy to say "reverse engineer" something, but it's not as easy to do it.. and then sometimes it's illegal, etc.





On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

"MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective."


NOT COST EFFECTIVE..THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!
How can they ever expect to sell an item whose USB equivalent is is anywhere from
5 dollars to 25 dollars?
If it is without the firmware then they are DAMNED PROUD of their devices and truly believe
that someone will eventually pay them since they are the only ones with the device (which I doubt the market demand is there so its wishful thinking pipe dreaming on MPL's part)
OR
If that is the price MPL wants for the unit WITH the firmware upgrade then its plain that they just
do not want to hassle withthe requirements of the firmware upgrade so they quoted you some astromical price just to get you to go away.
My question is if you can get the units cheaply, 'as is' from MPL then what would be the setback in simply figuring out a way do the upgrade
yourself or with the help of an inexpensive third party by simply reverse engineering one of our existing PC50/60B's?

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

I contacted SCM support in Asia about 3 yrs ago- they no longer support the drives and legacy support was turned over to a third party vendor (at that time)- that is how I got the Read / Write firmware for the PCD-50b (from the legacy support vendor).

MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support from them (they won't modify the firmware unless you have shown a business need AND bought some drives, basically). And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective.
There was no price break until you bought like 100 drives, and then it was like $30 a drive or something like that....

now I can't get off their mailing list :-(

-Ted


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:40 AM, jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

its very old code you would first need to disasemble the original as there are no available
hard copies this takes a very long time plus there might be some logic requied to make the signals as its a much later protocol in 1990,s about 4-5 years later than the emax
those cf drives from japan will work but they dont have a case you will need to make one they are not hot swap
and they are a clone of the acard 7720u and use the mac firmware with a direct cf card interface instead of the ide port
the cf card interface is identacal to the ide in fact just in a smaller format
yes it would be nice to have them cheap but for a 4 layer pcb design and manufacture and all the custom chips required and the acard chip is already end of life so when they are gone they are gone
its a very expensive product to get made in small quantities
remember the pcd drives and others original price tags was £200-500 new
they only became cheap when they became redundent tech because of usb
and they were made for the photo shop processing machines which now use the cheaper usb devices
now if you had the code and can do a rewrite then usb would be able to be done and would be cheaper like on the korg dss1 im an installer for tom and we have talked about a few machines and doing usb conversions
ensoniq was one but i could not get the code released even though the company has been dead since the late 90,s
same with roland i tried to get a non disclosure agrement in to creating new pcm cards for the jd800/990/jv1080 and was told no by there lawyer team
rob of the emulator archive tried to get all the code for the emax and he got everything they had but the code was lost
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

cant somebody that actually knows how to write firmware code open source this conversion easy? I mean is there intellectual property involved. IDE SCSI lund 0 1, is Arduino capable enough to do the math. Maybe not enough IO. Has anybody tried the SCSI CF drives from Japan, i just wish they were 75bucks not 150.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!

At the situation of course.....
Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...
Serves him right.
he's a NOOB now.
'NOBODY Out OF Business'


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On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
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Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by Windrum Scoggin

Sounds like a beauracratic nightmare, which means it will NEVER happen or if the Milspec as you say and the Military absolutely needs something like it, then yes, they will pay for it...but not for long (see my other email) before they find a cheaper alternative equivalent.
And the whole purpose of our having these machines?
right..to make music with them...I forgot...I got sidetracked on things totally unreleated to the reason I use this Emax....and If they didn't sound so damned good (I love emu filters) I'd have gone softsynths and samplers years ago (which sound unforgiveably sterile IMHO)


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

The $800 price is the "as-is" it takes no account of whether or not they want more $$ for firmware changes.
I didn't say it didn't have firmware, I was saying it doesn't have firmware that will do what we want it to (SCSI - 1 compatibility).
Their main customers appear to be MILSPEC and embedded industrial, which when bidding for gov'ts we know they aren't worried about price....
and you wouldn't want to reverse engineer the SCM- they are LUN based.
We want a target based.
Target based drives only have maximum of 3 slots that I have ever seen, as that then takes 3 SCSI IDs.
Which is why SCSI went to LUN based infrastructure. So systems can literally have thousands of devices connected to them.... which they do now.... look at EMC VNX, VMAX, IBM XIV, HDS, etc having hundreds of disks in their storages....

It's easy to say "reverse engineer" something, but it's not as easy to do it.. and then sometimes it's illegal, etc.





On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

"MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective."


NOT COST EFFECTIVE..THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!
How can they ever expect to sell an item whose USB equivalent is is anywhere from
5 dollars to 25 dollars?
If it is without the firmware then they are DAMNED PROUD of their devices and truly believe
that someone will eventually pay them since they are the only ones with the device (which I doubt the market demand is there so its wishful thinking pipe dreaming on MPL's part)
OR
If that is the price MPL wants for the unit WITH the firmware upgrade then its plain that they just
do not want to hassle withthe requirements of the firmware upgrade so they quoted you some astromical price just to get you to go away.
My question is if you can get the units cheaply, 'as is' from MPL then what would be the setback in simply figuring out a way do the upgrade
yourself or with the help of an inexpensive third party by simply reverse engineering one of our existing PC50/60B's?

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

I contacted SCM support in Asia about 3 yrs ago- they no longer support the drives and legacy support was turned over to a third party vendor (at that time)- that is how I got the Read / Write firmware for the PCD-50b (from the legacy support vendor).

MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support from them (they won't modify the firmware unless you have shown a business need AND bought some drives, basically). And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective.
There was no price break until you bought like 100 drives, and then it was like $30 a drive or something like that....

now I can't get off their mailing list :-(

-Ted


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:40 AM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

its very old code you would first need to disasemble the original as there are no available
hard copies this takes a very long time plus there might be some logic requied to make the signals as its a much later protocol in 1990,s about 4-5 years later than the emax
those cf drives from japan will work but they dont have a case you will need to make one they are not hot swap
and they are a clone of the acard 7720u and use the mac firmware with a direct cf card interface instead of the ide port
the cf card interface is identacal to the ide in fact just in a smaller format
yes it would be nice to have them cheap but for a 4 layer pcb design and manufacture and all the custom chips required and the acard chip is already end of life so when they are gone they are gone
its a very expensive product to get made in small quantities
remember the pcd drives and others original price tags was £200-500 new
they only became cheap when they became redundent tech because of usb
and they were made for the photo shop processing machines which now use the cheaper usb devices
now if you had the code and can do a rewrite then usb would be able to be done and would be cheaper like on the korg dss1 im an installer for tom and we have talked about a few machines and doing usb conversions
ensoniq was one but i could not get the code released even though the company has been dead since the late 90,s
same with roland i tried to get a non disclosure agrement in to creating new pcm cards for the jd800/990/jv1080 and was told no by there lawyer team
rob of the emulator archive tried to get all the code for the emax and he got everything they had but the code was lost
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

cant somebody that actually knows how to write firmware code open source this conversion easy? I mean is there intellectual property involved. IDE SCSI lund 0 1, is Arduino capable enough to do the math. Maybe not enough IO. Has anybody tried the SCSI CF drives from Japan, i just wish they were 75bucks not 150.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!

At the situation of course.....
Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...
Serves him right.
he's a NOOB now.
'NOBODY Out OF Business'


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On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...m> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by jammie

the dss1 is on revision 4 boards and still have scsi but does not really need it
i fitted version 1 to version 4 boards for customers and im the registered installer for tom in uk
as he had lots of damaged ram boards by diy,ers and now does not sell to people only if they use one of his authorize installers
he is working on the dsm1 next which i will be beta testing when available
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Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?


Let me know how the Korg Dss-1 USB drive goes, I'm doing the same upgrade on my Dss-1. Kit looks real professional, i noticed how the first version was for SCSI, but was dropped in favor of the USB which makes sense.
I second the comment on Silicon Valley, monopoly money for real. Wasn't the Emax made in Scotts Valley? (15min from the Valley)
Thanks Again Ted for your insight on things


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Windrumscoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

I live in Silicon Valley
People throw away money on startup
Companies that go belly-up that makes
A million dollars look like Monopoly money
It could be done if the demand for the product were
There. I just don't the demand/ money is in it or else
It yes, would have been done by now.

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On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:47, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

to make a scsi to cf device very cheap you would need to have a garanteed user base 1000000+ unit manufacture so parts cost could be cheap but we are talking in millions of cash even before selling 1 item in parts manufacture wages taxes transport
packaging user manual
if it were that easy it would of been done and made
and as ted said a diy solution is going to cost a lot more in parts costs alone
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Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

I say we bribe or pay SCM company to remanufacture the PCD's en mass but this time around use earth friendly materials and write firmware that makes every one of the Lund slots SCSI slots instead & compatible with SCSI I II and III protocol.
Sounds easy as pie, right?
Ha ha!
I imagine if you could do something like this you could sell these things to every musician on the planet wishing to upgrade their old SCSI machine with flash card capability
Imagine the market!
Ted, wanna start a business?
How hard do you think it would be to create a 'universal' SCSI flash card reader writer compatible with all SCSI capable musical instruments?
You and Jammie seem to know more about the possibility of something like this being feasible so both your thoughts on this kind of thing even becoming a possibility?

On Oct 28, 2013, at 21:15, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

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Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

2013-10-29 by jammie

they deal with the private sector and military there devices are garanteed to work in the field so thats why they can ask the big bucks
ted i asked how much for 100 it was £400 a drive
it was not until you brought 1000 that the price came down and then they were still £200 a pop
every one forgets when the emax came out it was over £500 for a 20mb miniscribe drive
when i brought my EII in 1985 and i brought the cdrom and the omnidisks they were £300 each cdrom and the drive was £600
the EII was £10000
when i frst brought the sequest ez230flyers back in 1995 they were £300
so £500 for a drive in the industrial sector is not much as seeing as its garanteed to work in dangerous enviroments and works they have great support and its a tax deficit
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

"MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective."


NOT COST EFFECTIVE..THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!
How can they ever expect to sell an item whose USB equivalent is is anywhere from
5 dollars to 25 dollars?
If it is without the firmware then they are DAMNED PROUD of their devices and truly believe
that someone will eventually pay them since they are the only ones with the device (which I doubt the market demand is there so its wishful thinking pipe dreaming on MPL's part)
OR
If that is the price MPL wants for the unit WITH the firmware upgrade then its plain that they just
do not want to hassle withthe requirements of the firmware upgrade so they quoted you some astromical price just to get you to go away.
My question is if you can get the units cheaply, 'as is' from MPL then what would be the setback in simply figuring out a way do the upgrade
yourself or with the help of an inexpensive third party by simply reverse engineering one of our existing PC50/60B's?

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

I contacted SCM support in Asia about 3 yrs ago- they no longer support the drives and legacy support was turned over to a third party vendor (at that time)- that is how I got the Read / Write firmware for the PCD-50b (from the legacy support vendor).

MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support from them (they won't modify the firmware unless you have shown a business need AND bought some drives, basically). And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective.
There was no price break until you bought like 100 drives, and then it was like $30 a drive or something like that....

now I can't get off their mailing list :-(

-Ted


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:40 AM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

its very old code you would first need to disasemble the original as there are no available
hard copies this takes a very long time plus there might be some logic requied to make the signals as its a much later protocol in 1990,s about 4-5 years later than the emax
those cf drives from japan will work but they dont have a case you will need to make one they are not hot swap
and they are a clone of the acard 7720u and use the mac firmware with a direct cf card interface instead of the ide port
the cf card interface is identacal to the ide in fact just in a smaller format
yes it would be nice to have them cheap but for a 4 layer pcb design and manufacture and all the custom chips required and the acard chip is already end of life so when they are gone they are gone
;
its a very expensive product to get made in small quantities
remember the pcd drives and others original price tags was £200-500 new
they only became cheap when they became redundent tech because of usb
and they were made for the photo shop processing machines which now use the cheaper usb devices
now if you had the code and can do a rewrite then usb would be able to be done and would be cheaper like on the korg dss1 im an installer for tom and we have talked about a few machines and doing usb conversions
ensoniq was one but i could not get the code released even though the company has been dead since the late 90,s
same with roland i tried to get a non disclosure agrement in to creating new pcm cards for the jd800/990/jv1080 and was told no by there lawyer team
rob of the emulator archive tried to get all the code for the emax and he got everything they had but the code was lost
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

cant somebody that actually knows how to write firmware code open source this conversion easy? I mean is there intellectual property involved. IDE SCSI lund 0 1, is Arduino capable enough to do the math. Maybe not enough IO. Has anybody tried the SCSI CF drives from Japan, i just wish they were 75bucks not 150.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!

At the situation of course.....
Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...
Serves him right.
he's a NOOB now.
'NOBODY Out OF Business'


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On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges
said things worked and they did not even with out testing
when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten
and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new
i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it
i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them
and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice
dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.
Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@gmail.com> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/


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