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Re: [emax] RE: Emax OS creation primer

2014-02-05 by Windrum Scoggin

You know, I truly believe that is what this list is for..so we can help each other keep our aging (but beautiful sounding) EMU samplers alive.

BUT

This EMAX FDD is getting out of hand and becoming a right PITA isn't it?
Personally, if I didn't t have an XP based PC running Omniflop with an internal FDD then I would have completely ditched the FDD concept long ago...If you can't make an OS disk for your EMAX, then transfer sounds to that floppy via a PC with EMXP, a floppy drive and Omniflop installed, that will allow you to do this, then what is the point of having an FDD in your EMAX? You will constantly be at the mercy of the rest of us on the user forum in trying to make you disks and if our machines OS doesn't match yours we have even a bigger rabbit hole to climb out of
Even if we have the same OS, and we make you disks, whose to say that after we ship them to you, they will work?


I know that I personally have built a PC specifically to run EMXP and installed the Omniflop drivers as I am also using an Ensoniq EPS 16 plus and just have to have the ability to transfer the OS and sounds to floppys/flash/zip drives for my SCSI enabled EMU/Ensonqi samplers. That being said, I too have had a hell of a problem getting Emax OS to load onto disks and even if I did do it correctly, my Emax HD's own internal FDD is toast. It will read and write only disks that it can read and write due to it being off, somehow. I know this cause I tried to load OS disks Ted sent me and they wouldn't load so I handed them off to another fellow back up Ted's way who needed the OS disks and the disks Ted made for me that would not load on mine, loaded fine on his machine! That told me my machine had a bad FDD.
So my situation is I

1) have an EMAX HD with a bad HD and Floppy. ONly way I can get it to boot is using EMXP and CF cards then boot it up using the PCD 50B. So far, it works and I am happy.

2) My new Emax SE is on the way this week. If its floppy is good, I will try to use the above method as posed by geektech207 and use Omniflop and my PC to make a bootable SE OS disk. The internal PC FDD I am using is a Teac 235HF.
Here is a pdf to the specs
http://www.msc-ge.com/download/itmain/datasheets/teac/FD-235HF-C891.pdf

Hopefully, it will work. If it does, and the FDD in my arriving unit is NOT bad, then just PM me and I will try to make OS Floppy disk for anyone that wants one. The only issue is, EMU kept changing the OS for their EMAX's and it grows tiresome because from what I am reading here, people with a Plus OS Emax can't load an SE OS disks Made from an SE OS Emax, and vice versa...Ie You can't load a sound disk made from a machine with at different OS than the one you are on.... Correct ME if I am wrong Ted or Jammie? If this be the case we are all in quite the funk cause some of us have SCSI machines with Plus OS on them, some of us don't and those who have older EMAX running non Plus OS can9;t load sound disks saved to Plus OS disks.

That being said, I hope I am wrong cause my 1010 model with HD is running Emax Plus OS Rev 1.0 and I don't know if I can upgrade my SE model to this when it arrives, or not; OR if the SE OS will load disks from a Plus OS Rev 1.0 disk.
I know in my case it won't because my FDD on my HD 1010 model Emax is bad, anyway so no disk I make on that FDD will run on any other Emax that has a known good FDD, even if they are the same OS. Herein lies the dilemma of having bad FDD's in our Emax's. FDD's just suck.

Finding and original sectored FDD for the Emax itself seems to be a tightly held secret amongst the second hand parts guys. Route66 says he sells them, as does this guy here:
http://www.eprelectronics.com/store/E-mu-Accessories/MISC/Emu-EMAX-I-Floppy-Disk-Drive-p160.html

Most of the time, both these guys want too much or they are out of stock. I imagine if someone can get the part number off the FDD after purchasing one, they can simply find it elsewhere for a third of the price but being route 66 and EPR are mostly out of stock, they are probably having to find NOS (New Old Stock) drives themselves then simply jack up the price to us as a charge for doing the research that most of us could do on our own if we simply knew what we were looking for.

Now then, on Youtube, Retrosound installed and HxC floppy emulator in his unit. the Cost of the floppy emulator is about the same as an NOS FDD and quite frankly, I hate screwing with the FDD's on these Emax units. They are slow, tedious and break eventually...just like the crappy internal 20 MB HD did on my Emax when all I did was remove it when installing a PCD-50B SCSI card reader/writer.

So, IMHO I forgo the floppy cause I hate messing with them. Mine doesn't woke save to read and write disks that only MY Emax that wrote them can use and I am not sure I want to spend the money on another EMU Emax internal Floppy Disk Drive anymore when half of us can't even write a damned bootable floppy on our PC's cause most of us don't even have PC's with Floppy drives in them anymore!
Am I right or am I right?
Ha ha!

Tell ya what...If my SE 1000 unit comes in with a good FDD and I can make a good Bootable SE FDD using EMXP and Omniflop, and it loads and boots this my soon to arrive Emax SE 1000 up, I will make anyone an OS disks that want them, just PM me. No charge save for the cost of the floppy and shipping. I can't gurantee it will work on your machine if your FDD has doen what my HD 1010 FDD drive did but we can try.
I will do it till the damned FDD drive dies.
Then, i am finding another PCD 50B to install on my new unit or just
going HxC
I am really tired of the Emu FDD dilemma and eventually, I think the rest of you will grow tired of dealing with it too.
Cheers
windrumscoggin
at
gmail

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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:06 AM, <geektech207@...> wrote:

If you live in the U.S. then I could probably manage that if you send me a couple disks and some postage in trade. If you're overseas then I don't really want to fill out a customs form, etc. Maybe someone more local to you has some OS disks, if that's the case. Anyone with a bootable emax should be able to create a working disk for you, and there's a fair amount of people on this mailing list.

No interest in starting a new business. Wouldn't feel right about it after all the free help / utilities that all this is based on. Free (vintage) love.




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