Well I would like to stay with 8.6 and not have to go backwards to 8.1, as 8.6 can support USB PCI cards. I first have to resolve this browser problem which I have found out through more research that the trouble I am having is a combination of a dead PRAM battery so I have to order one, as the time and date has to match for proper security certificates, then I have to get the new certificates into IE 5.1.7 If all goes right I will be able to surf all the newer sites without problem. If I accomplish all that then I will probably install a different hard drive so I will have the room for two volumes within the first 7GB which is recommended, and then have the other volume for the storage area. I have a Rev. C board so I should not have any problems with drive configurations. I'll let you know how it goes. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote: > > I had a Beige G3, that is the last that had the ports, though you > could add them to a G3 blue and white or a G4 sawtooth. > > I don't think Alchemy worked with OS 9, or it had problems. Don't > recall exactly.... > I have an Performa 6214CD just for the purpose of use with Emax. > > Running XP in a window on the the Beige is doable, but is slow. I had > a G4 / 500Mhz upgrade in it, but it didn't help that much. > You can't run earlier than OS 9 in classic. > That system can't be loaded with earlier than 8.1... and you have to > use a workaround to get Tiger to run on it. > > If you want OS X and OS 8.1 which does work with alchemy, put it on > two different volumes on the same hard drive. > That is one way to do it. > > Also, the Beige is limited to 137GB drive size on the IDE bus..... > > That is some of what I recall. > > > > On Dec 5, 2009, at 5:01 PM, thenewyorkcowboy wrote: > > Well, yes, the primary objective here is to figure out what is the > highest Mac OS that will still run both Alchemy and SD2.5. I have a > friend who has tons of Mac equipment and access to just about every OS > ever released, so I am looking for the highest functionality on my > Beige G3 Desktop. It can run OSX as per the Apple site, I have OS8.6 > loaded right now, but I am wondering should I try and get it to 9.2.2 > or go for OSX and run in classic mode, etc? The major difficulty I am > experiencing is that I just don't want a limited OS i.e. a dedicated > system just so I can play with sounds from the EmaxII. With the 8.6 I > have installed I can surf online with IE 5.1.7 for Mac, but I can't > log into this site for example because of security features that are > built in. The browser does not display Captchas and cannot deal with a > standard login with password either. So everything I have been doing > so far I have to do on the PC and then burn to CD and transfer it that > way. > > The other links were to simply verify up to what point the Mac > hardware still contained a 422/232 port for the cable assembly. My G3 > has a 266cpu and 512mb of memory, but I can push it up to 768mb and > buy a ZIF upgrade to 1Ghz if it is going to be the last piece of > hardware that has the 422 port, then I could run OSX with ease plus > still have access to the functions of Alchemy and SD2.5. That way I > could use it with more utility and download the files directly, share > any new banks or samples, etc, without having to port them over to my > PC and such. So before I invest more $$ and time, I wanted to know the > last modern Mac with a 422 port that works and the highest OS that > still runs Alchemy and SD. In this way it would be also a neat feat to > use other software on the MAC to emulate a PC or make a virtual one so > that EMXP could run on it as well with omniflop and everything else. > > As for the 422 converter, would looking at the chip that MACs use > help? And are we going for USB connectivity or will the PC that uses > the converter need a serial port? Will a driver be written for Linux > as well? What about Windows 7? Those are mostly just thoughts rambling > about my head, not pressure or demands, just trying to get on the same > page as everyone else, that is why I did all that reading...;) > > Oh and THANKS! for the emulator archive link. I had seen that page > about two years ago, if I had remembered it I wouldn't have asked > about the cable. > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote: > > > > I'm not sure what you are aiming to, based on all these messages > and information which you have been reading :-) > > - do you want to get Alchemy, SD, or any other vintage software > running with Emax/Emax-II connectivity on higher Mac versions ? > > - do you want to find out how to come up with a device supporting > externally clocked RS422 for use with any modern computer equipment ? > > - do you just basically want to get Alchemy, SD of any other > software running with Emax/Emax-II connectivity on a vintage Mac > (Classic, SE, ...) ? > > - do you want to make new software for communication between > computer and Emax/Emax-II ? > > - ... > > > > With respect to your questions, I can only answer the first two of > them: > > > > 1/ Yes, I have a minidin8 <--> DB9 cable perfectly working between > my Mac and my Emax/Emax-II. The cable specs are available on > emulatorarchive: > > http://www.emulatorarchive.com/Archives/Samplers/EmaxOverview/EmaxEditors/emaxeditors.html > > This obviously is the RS422 variant. > > > > 2/ Alchemy would be a better starting point in terms of native Emax- > II support but ONLY for sample transfer communication. If all possible > RS422 commands should be supported, then SoundDesigner for Emax is a > better choice. > > > > Note that we are "only" one step away from new software running on > Windows XP/Vista (or Mac OS X or higher) which can communicate with > Emu samplers. The only missing part is an externally clockable RS422 > port which can be put in between the Emax and the computer :-) > > I have already a working prototype communication software on my PC. > > A few days ago someone mailed me with the message that the KeySpan > XG 28 (USB/RS422) device for Mac probably supports external clocking. > But I don't know if this is true because when I was looking to its > specs a year ago, I read somewhere that synchronous communication is > NOT supported by that adapter. Also, this device - which is already > obsolete - was only released with Mac drivers, not Windows drivers. > > Of course it is not true to say that these externally clockable > RS422 ports for modern computers don't exist - in industrial apps they > are being used. But their price is way too high for us (500 USD...) > > > > I also have a prototype device here from a fellow member, but we > are still trying to get it working :-) Maybe I will connect my > Oscilloscope to that device this weekend, it's been a while... > > > > //E-Synthesist > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "thenewyorkcowboy" <thenewyorkcowboy@> > wrote: > > > > > > This looks like a good time to interject a few questions... > > > > > > Here is the page I started with: > > > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/emax/message/4847 > > > > > > So I did my own research and found this page: > > > > > > http://support.apple.com/kb/SP130 > > > > > > and > > > > > > http://lowendmac.com/tech/serial.shtml > > > > > > Which I have...so I am convinced that the 8 pin mini din can > handle both RS422 and RS232 depending on the CABLE!!! > > > > > > What they are talking about as the "obsolete" port is what is > considered a GeoPort, it only has 4 pins in the mini-Din. So anyone > who has 8 pin serial ports on any Mac can use either Sound Forge or > Alchemy... > > > > > > It was said earlier in the posts that neither software can do > entire bank transfers, but I am not at that point yet...What I need is > someone to clarify these last questions I have before I am going to be > able to contribute something to the conversation... > > > > > > On ANY Mac with the two "422 serial" ports (8 pin Mini Dins) it > certainly does seem true that they will accept up to a 2Mb external > clock. > > > > > > Did we get this pinout solved from post? I only have: > > > > > > http://www.interfacebus.com/Apple_MiniDIN_PinOut.html > > > > > > and > > > > > > http://saragossa.net/intfcing.html (scroll to far bottom) > > > > > > to determine how to "make" a cable to connect to the Emax II > > > > > > and these posts to leave me wondering: > > > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/emax/message/5241 > > > > > > and > > > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/emax/message/4789 > > > > > > (and the following conversation that ensues) > > > > > > and finally... > > > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/emax/message/4838 > > > > > > So, I have to ask::: > > > > > > 1. Has anyone actually built a Mini Din-8 cable to the EmaxII > serial port or a DB-9 serial, and got it to work with Alchemy? What > are the final pinouts? > > > > > > 2. I know what our Files section holds in the way of Alchemy and > Sound Designer...which is the 'best' version that we should be > focusing on as a prototype? > > > > > > 3. The last question is a little more specific, if anyone has a > later MAC OS working with any of the software versions metioned in #2 > above, what is it? Will MAC OS 9.2.2 work with Alchemy 2.5 through a > soldered MiniDin-8 to DB-9 cable to the EmaxII? Will OSX work in > classic mode? > > > > > > These are the questions I need answered to port some more > information into the loop. > > > > > > Kirk > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, tu@ wrote: > > > > > > > > According to the sysex spec, the Emax II can receive Emax I > compressed bank transfers. It needs > > > > to for compatibility with the RS422 CDROM drive! But it does > not support transmitting compressed > > > > banks or any transfer of 16 bit banks. > > > > > > > > Sample transfer using high or low speed MMA sample dumping is > also limited to maximum sample > > > > size of 2M words (4MB in 16 bit samples). So an Emax II bank > containing a sample longer than this > > > > will not be possible to transfer over RS422 or MIDI. This would > not be a problem for most sample > > > > banks but does prevent a universal method of bank transfer > between the Emax II and a computer. > > > > The solution is of course to save such banks to disk and then > load from there. > > > > > > > > /Tristan > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5th, 2009 at 8:33 AM, esynthesist <esynthesist@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Alchemy doesn't support bank transfers with any sampler. > > > > > It only supports sample transfers, including an interesting > "bulk" > > > > > mode to transfer all samples at once. But that's still > without any of > > > > > the preset and voice parameters... > > > > > > > > > > In fact no software supports bank transfers with the Emax-II. > > > > > I will add it to EMXP as soon as we get the RS422 device for > PC up > > > > > and running... > > > > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@...m, "John" <jrb1864@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Does Alchemy support bank transfers to and from Emax 2? How > in > > > > > depth are the sample edit features? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rish" <rish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey If anyone needs the Alchemy ver 3.0 full manual I > have 5 of > > > > > them available. > > > > > > > Richard at www.Route66studios.com > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: sanctifiedone@ > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:56 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [emax] Emax II with MAC Se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I love posts like this one from Ted. And while I'm at it, I > > > > > also want to express my appreciation for group members like > Dave > > > > > willing to help me untangle my EMAX II problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Ted Summers" <djtbs1@> > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 11:58:49 AM GMT -05:00 > > > > > US/Canada Eastern > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [emax] Emax II with MAC Se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alchemy software v3.0 sit is in the groups files section, > and > > > > > it works...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:57 AM, John <jrb1864@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an Emax 2 with 2mb ram, jazz drives, floppies, > cables > > > > > and connector > > > > > > > > cable to the MAC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a dream...a dream of running my Emax 2 with sound > > > > > designer or > > > > > > > > Alchemy. Alas no luck, I only have Sound Designer > Universal > > > > > and it's not > > > > > > > > working with the EMAX 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Sound Designer Universal in the box, original > disks > > > > > etc, a MAC SE, > > > > > > > > systems 6, and 7 but unable to find the Alchemy > software or > > > > > Sound Designer > > > > > > > > that works with Emax 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I can't get it all to work I will give up on this > dream > > > > > and sell the lot > > > > > > > > to someone, preferably on the forum, with love, > patience, and > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > make this system work and send me photos! LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the software I need or time and willingness > to > > > > > help me through > > > > > > > > it I would appreciate otherwise I'm selling it all for > $350 > > > > > plus shipping > > > > > > > > costs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks all! Maybe one day..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
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Re: Emax II with MAC Se
2009-12-07 by thenewyorkcowboy