Not really. By version 2.82, they had a plug in archture for effects. Other wise the basic editing features are the same. I prefer to do bacis editing in Sound designer because you can be more accurate with waveform selections. Alchemy has some really cool features that Sound designer doesn't have. One of my favorite is that you can save keymaps assignments to your sound file and create libraries. This allows you to dump multiple sound files to your Emax with defined keymaps. A huge time saver with an stereo Emax II. Just make sure to use AIFF files. ________________________________ From: thenewyorkcowboy <thenewyorkcowboy@...> To: emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 10:40:38 PM Subject: [emax] Re: Emax II with MAC Se Are there any editing features/effects/ etc. that 2.82 has that Alchemy 3.0 does not? An extra feature it can perform perhaps? --- In emax@yahoogroups. com, Elk Latham <elk_latham@ ...> wrote: > > In case you didn't know, SD 2.82 doesn't have sampler support. It's a great editor for files, but that's it. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: thenewyorkcowboy <thenewyorkcowboy@ ...> > To: emax@yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 7:40:09 AM > Subject: [emax] Re: Emax II with MAC Se > > Â > Yes I just figured that one out. I went to digidesigns support site and found a new digidesign INIT file group that is recommended for our SD 2.82 file here, so I uploaded it to the files section. It is version 3.4.2 and is a self installer, which is nice. > > Then I checked Ebay and found an Audiomedia III PCI card with Pro Tools 5.1 included and won it for $37 including shipping! Will there never be a shortage of little tidbits to buy? LOL. You are absolutely next on the $42 list Ted! > > --- In emax@yahoogroups. com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > Soundesigner of some versions require an Audiomedia 2 or Audiomedia 3 card > > made by digidesign. Which is why I stuck with Alchemy, and didn't mess with > > it, as I traded in my Audiomedia 3 PCI card for a Digi002 Rack a while > > back..... > > > > Regards, > > Ted > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:54 AM, thenewyorkcowboy <thenewyorkcowboy@ ... > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > UPDATE: Sound Designer II 2.7 will not start on my G3 because I do not have > > > a DSP card installed. Is the WINGS A/V personality card considered a DSP? > > > > > > And Alchemy 3.0 is up and running on OS 8.6! Looks like a prettier > > > interface as well, nice modern colors.... > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups. com <emax%40yahoogroups .com>, "thenewyorkcowboy" > > > <thenewyorkcowboy@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Well tried as I did, I could not get IE 5.1.7 to work correctly even > > > after installing 10 new major security certificates, so it is going in the > > > trash. > > > > > > > > I did find "Icab" 3.0.5 for Mac 8.6 and it installed fine, imported my > > > bookmarks and allowed me to logon here so I am typing from my PPC, yay! I > > > also found Netscape 7.02 for Mac 8.6 and will try that one out as well since > > > it is based on Gecko, but there is a huge difference in file size, 19.9MB > > > for the installer compared to just 3MB for Icab. I will be playing with both > > > now and see which one has more problems with pages elsewhere and then decide > > > on the default, but NS7.02 is much older (Aug.'04) than Icab which was > > > released Jan.'08 so I am initially leaning towards Icab but I will report > > > back at some point if there exists some worthwhile advantages. > > > > > > > > But for now, I downloaded Alchemy and SD, and will be taking them through > > > an initial run to verify 8.6 compatibility and will be soldering up a cable > > > this week. > > > > > > > > In the meantime, could someone upload a verified .iso image of a CD image > > > created with EMXP that is working for them? My next step from here is to > > > determine which of my SCSI CD ROMs can actually be recognized by my EmaxII > > > and load a bank. I've burned 2 discs already and neither seem to be > > > recognized, so I want to make sure that I actually have a valid image to > > > compare. Also, is there a certain way to burn the file system, ISO 9660, > > > Joliet, etc.? that the Emax needs to see? Maybe that is my mistake. Other > > > options are session at once, disc at once, etc. If someone has some > > > recommendations I would appreciate it. > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups. com <emax%40yahoogroups .com>, "thenewyorkcowboy" > > > <thenewyorkcowboy@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well I would like to stay with 8.6 and not have to go backwards to 8.1, > > > as 8.6 can support USB PCI cards. I first have to resolve this browser > > > problem which I have found out through more research that the trouble I am > > > having is a combination of a dead PRAM battery so I have to order one, as > > > the time and date has to match for proper security certificates, then I have > > > to get the new certificates into IE 5.1.7 If all goes right I will be able > > > to surf all the newer sites without problem. > > > > > > > > > > If I accomplish all that then I will probably install a different hard > > > drive so I will have the room for two volumes within the first 7GB which is > > > recommended, and then have the other volume for the storage area. I have a > > > Rev. C board so I should not have any problems with drive configurations. > > > I'll let you know how it goes. > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups. com <emax%40yahoogroups .com>, Ted Summers > > > <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a Beige G3, that is the last that had the ports, though you > > > > > > could add them to a G3 blue and white or a G4 sawtooth. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think Alchemy worked with OS 9, or it had problems. Don't > > > > > > recall exactly.... > > > > > > I have an Performa 6214CD just for the purpose of use with Emax. > > > > > > > > > > > > Running XP in a window on the the Beige is doable, but is slow. I had > > > > > > > > > a G4 / 500Mhz upgrade in it, but it didn't help that much. > > > > > > You can't run earlier than OS 9 in classic. > > > > > > That system can't be loaded with earlier than 8.1... and you have to > > > > > > use a workaround to get Tiger to run on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want OS X and OS 8.1 which does work with alchemy, put it on > > > > > > two different volumes on the same hard drive. > > > > > > That is one way to do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, the Beige is limited to 137GB drive size on the IDE bus..... > > > > > > > > > > > > That is some of what I recall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 2009, at 5:01 PM, thenewyorkcowboy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, yes, the primary objective here is to figure out what is the > > > > > > highest Mac OS that will still run both Alchemy and SD2.5. I have a > > > > > > friend who has tons of Mac equipment and access to just about every > > > OS > > > > > > ever released, so I am looking for the highest functionality on my > > > > > > Beige G3 Desktop. It can run OSX as per the Apple site, I have OS8.6 > > > > > > loaded right now, but I am wondering should I try and get it to 9.2.2 > > > > > > > > > or go for OSX and run in classic mode, etc? The major difficulty I am > > > > > > > > > experiencing is that I just don't want a limited OS i.e. a dedicated > > > > > > system just so I can play with sounds from the EmaxII. With the 8.6 I > > > > > > > > > have installed I can surf online with IE 5.1.7 for Mac, but I can't > > > > > > log into this site for example because of security features that are > > > > > > built in. The browser does not display Captchas and cannot deal with > > > a > > > > > > standard login with password either. So everything I have been doing > > > > > > so far I have to do on the PC and then burn to CD and transfer it > > > that > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other links were to simply verify up to what point the Mac > > > > > > hardware still contained a 422/232 port for the cable assembly. My G3 > > > > > > > > > has a 266cpu and 512mb of memory, but I can push it up to 768mb and > > > > > > buy a ZIF upgrade to 1Ghz if it is going to be the last piece of > > > > > > hardware that has the 422 port, then I could run OSX with ease plus > > > > > > still have access to the functions of Alchemy and SD2.5. That way I > > > > > > could use it with more utility and download the files directly, share > > > > > > > > > any new banks or samples, etc, without having to port them over to my > > > > > > > > > PC and such. So before I invest more $$ and time, I wanted to know > > > the > > > > > > last modern Mac with a 422 port that works and the highest OS that > > > > > > still runs Alchemy and SD. In this way it would be also a neat feat > > > to > > > > > > use other software on the MAC to emulate a PC or make a virtual one > > > so > > > > > > that EMXP could run on it as well with omniflop and everything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the 422 converter, would looking at the chip that MACs use > > > > > > help? And are we going for USB connectivity or will the PC that uses > > > > > > the converter need a serial port? Will a driver be written for Linux > > > > > > as well? What about Windows 7? Those are mostly just thoughts > > > rambling > > > > > > about my head, not pressure or demands, just trying to get on the > > > same > > > > > > page as everyone else, that is why I did all that reading...;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and THANKS! for the emulator archive link. I had seen that page > > > > > > about two years ago, if I had remembered it I wouldn't have asked > > > > > > about the cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups. com <emax%40yahoogroups .com>, "esynthesist" > > > <esynthesist@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what you are aiming to, based on all these messages > > > > > > and information which you have been reading :-) > > > > > > > - do you want to get Alchemy, SD, or any other vintage software > > > > > > running with Emax/Emax-II connectivity on higher Mac versions ? > > > > > > > - do you want to find out how to come up with a device supporting > > > > > > externally clocked RS422 for use with any modern computer equipment ? > > > > > > > - do you just basically want to get Alchemy, SD of any other > > > > > > software running with Emax/Emax-II connectivity on a vintage Mac > > > > > > (Classic, SE, ...) ? > > > > > > > - do you want to make new software for communication between > > > > > > computer and Emax/Emax-II ? > > > > > > > - ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect to your questions, I can only answer the first two of > > > > > > them: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/ Yes, I have a minidin8 <--> DB9 cable perfectly working between > > > > > > my Mac and my Emax/Emax-II. The cable specs are available on > > > > > > emulatorarchive: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.emulator archive.com/ Archives/ Samplers/ EmaxOverview/ EmaxEditors/ emaxeditors. html > > > > > > > This obviously is the RS422 variant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2/ Alchemy would be a better starting point in terms of native > > > Emax- > > > > > > II support but ONLY for sample transfer communication. If all > > > possible > > > > > > RS422 commands should be supported, then SoundDesigner for Emax is a > > > > > > better choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that we are "only" one step away from new software running on > > > > > > Windows XP/Vista (or Mac OS X or higher) which can communicate with > > > > > > Emu samplers. The only missing part is an externally clockable RS422 > > > > > > port which can be put in between the Emax and the computer :-) > > > > > > > I have already a working prototype communication software on my PC. > > > > > > > A few days ago someone mailed me with the message that the KeySpan > > > > > > XG 28 (USB/RS422) device for Mac probably supports external clocking. > > > > > > > > > But I don't know if this is true because when I was looking to its > > > > > > specs a year ago, I read somewhere that synchronous communication is > > > > > > NOT supported by that adapter. Also, this device - which is already > > > > > > obsolete - was only released with Mac drivers, not Windows drivers. > > > > > > > Of course it is not true to say that these externally clockable > > > > > > RS422 ports for modern computers don't exist - in industrial apps > > > they > > > > > > are being used. But their price is way too high for us (500 USD...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have a prototype device here from a fellow member, but we > > > > > > are still trying to get it working :-) Maybe I will connect my > > > > > > Oscilloscope to that device this weekend, it's been a while... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //E-Synthesist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups. com <emax%40yahoogroups .com>, > > > "thenewyorkcowboy" <thenewyorkcowboy@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This looks like a good time to interject a few questions... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the page I started with: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://launch. groups.yahoo. com/group/ emax/message/ 4847 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I did my own research and found this page: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://support. apple.com/ kb/SP130 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lowendmac. com/tech/ serial.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which I have...so I am convinced that the 8 pin mini din can > > > > > > handle both RS422 and RS232 depending on the CABLE!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What they are talking about as the "obsolete" port is what is > > > > > > considered a GeoPort, it only has 4 pins in the mini-Din. So anyone > > > > > > who has 8 pin serial ports on any Mac can use either Sound Forge or > > > > > > Alchemy... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was said earlier in the posts that neither software can do > > > > > > entire bank transfers, but I am not at that point yet...What I need > > > is > > > > > > someone to clarify these last questions I have before I am going to > > > be > > > > > > able to contribute something to the conversation. .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On ANY Mac with the two "422 serial" ports (8 pin Mini Dins) it > > > > > > certainly does seem true that they will accept up to a 2Mb external > > > > > > clock. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did we get this pinout solved from post? I only have: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.interfac ebus.com/ Apple_MiniDIN_ PinOut.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://saragossa. net/intfcing. html (scroll to far bottom) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to determine how to "make" a cable to connect to the Emax II > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and these posts to leave me wondering: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://launch. groups.yahoo. com/group/ emax/message/ 5241 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://launch. groups.yahoo. com/group/ emax/message/ 4789 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (and the following conversation that ensues) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and finally... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://launch. groups.yahoo. com/group/ emax/message/ 4838 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I have to ask::: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Has anyone actually built a Mini Din-8 cable to the EmaxII > > > > > > serial port or a DB-9 serial, and got it to work with Alchemy? What > > > > > > are the final pinouts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. I know what our Files section holds in the way of Alchemy and > > > > > > Sound Designer...which is the 'best' version that we should be > > > > > > focusing on as a prototype? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. The last question is a little more specific, if anyone has a > > > > > > later MAC OS working with any of the software versions metioned in #2 > > > > > > > > > above, what is it? Will MAC OS 9.2.2 work with Alchemy 2.5 through a > > > > > > soldered MiniDin-8 to DB-9 cable to the EmaxII? Will OSX work in > > > > > > classic mode? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the questions I need answered to port some more > > > > > > information into the loop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kirk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups. com <emax%40yahoogroups .com>, tu@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the sysex spec, the Emax II can receive Emax I > > > > > > compressed bank transfers. It needs > > > > > > > > > to for compatibility with the RS422 CDROM drive! But it does > > > > > > not support transmitting compressed > > > > > > > > > banks or any transfer of 16 bit banks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sample transfer using high or low speed MMA sample dumping is > > > > > > also limited to maximum sample > > > > > > > > > size of 2M words (4MB in 16 bit samples). So an Emax II bank > > > > > > containing a sample longer than this > > > > > > > > > will not be possible to transfer over RS422 or MIDI. This would > > > > > > > > > not be a problem for most sample > > > > > > > > > banks but does prevent a universal method of bank transfer > > > > > > between the Emax II and a computer. > > > > > > > > > The solution is of course to save such banks to disk and then > > > > > > load from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /Tristan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5th, 2009 at 8:33 AM, esynthesist <esynthesist@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alchemy doesn't support bank transfers with any sampler. > > > > > > > > > > It only supports sample transfers, including an interesting > > > > > > "bulk" > > > > > > > > > > mode to transfer all samples at once. But that's still > > > > > > without any of > > > > > > > > > > the preset and voice parameters.. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact no software supports bank transfers with the Emax-II. > > > > > > > > > > I will add it to EMXP as soon as we get the RS422 device for > > > > > > PC up > > > > > > > > > > and running... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups. com <emax%40yahoogroups .com>, "John" > > > <jrb1864@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does Alchemy support bank transfers to and from Emax 2? How > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > depth are the sample edit features? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups. com <emax%40yahoogroups .com>, > > > "Rish" <rish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey If anyone needs the Alchemy ver 3.0 full manual I > > > > > > have 5 of > > > > > > > > > > them available. > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard at www.Route66studios. com<http://www.route66s tudios.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: sanctifiedone@ > > > > > > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups. com <emax%40yahoogroups .com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [emax] Emax II with MAC Se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I love posts like this one from Ted. And while I'm at it, > > > I > > > > > > > > > > also want to express my appreciation for group members like > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > willing to help me untangle my EMAX II problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ted Summers" <djtbs1@> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups. com <emax%40yahoogroups .com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 11:58:49 AM GMT -05:00 > > > > > > > > > > US/Canada Eastern > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [emax] Emax II with MAC Se > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alchemy software v3.0 sit is in the groups files section, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > it works...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:57 AM, John <jrb1864@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an Emax 2 with 2mb ram, jazz drives, floppies, > > > > > > cables > > > > > > > > > > and connector > > > > > > > > > > > > > cable to the MAC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a dream...a dream of running my Emax 2 with sound > > > > > > > > > > designer or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alchemy. Alas no luck, I only have Sound Designer > > > > > > Universal > > > > > > > > > > and it's not > > > > > > > > > > > > > working with the EMAX 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Sound Designer Universal in the box, original > > > > > > disks > > > > > > > > > > etc, a MAC SE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > systems 6, and 7 but unable to find the Alchemy > > > > > > software or > > > > > > > > > > Sound Designer > > > > > > > > > > > > > that works with Emax 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I can't get it all to work I will give up on this > > > > > > dream > > > > > > > > > > and sell the lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > to someone, preferably on the forum, with love, > > > > > > patience, and > > > > > > > > > > abilities to > > > > > > > > > > > > > make this system work and send me photos! LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the software I need or time and willingness > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > help me through > > > > > > > > > > > > > it I would appreciate otherwise I'm selling it all for > > > > > > $350 > > > > > > > > > > plus shipping > > > > > > > > > > > > > costs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks all! Maybe one day..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.silveria family.comYahoo<http://www.silveria family.comyahoo/ >! > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [emax] Re: Emax II with MAC Se
2009-12-09 by Elk Latham