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Re: Can't copy OS to emax-formated DS DD disk with EMXP and/or Omniflop

2012-06-07 by windefalk

Hi!

I replaced the drive with the one from the keyboard but then the display stopped working on the rack. No characters. Just a blue/green-ish background. The strange thing is that when I put the disk drive back in the keyboard its display stopped working...same problem as before I switch boards. The display have a little dot in the upper right corner? I´m so tired of fiddling around :( 
I got the other computer yesterday so I will try write/copy/format disks with that one today... but first I need to install XP, get a keyboard and mouse and all that. :/ 

The disk drives are of different size as well. It looks like the keyboard have a slim floppy...but not that super slim. 

/Kalle
 
--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> sounds like a faulty write head on the disk drive
> 
> try replacing the drive from the keyboard to the rack
> 
> to see if you get the same errors
> 
> not uncommon fr the original disk drives to fail
> 
> ddsd disks would be better as hd disks need a stronger signal for the metal film type tape used
> 
> the dd drive uses a smaller magnetic signal and on hd disks it can get written but comes up as garbage over time
> 
> a hd drive has the same capability to write dd and hd disks thats what the second hole is for 
> 
> to switch between each mode no hole it will send out the magnetic field required to write to a dd disk
> 
> if a hd disk is input then the dd field is switched off and the high mag feild is sent for writing
> 
> your problem is most likely the read and write heads are misaligned
> 
> meaning when reading a disk its fine but when writing a disk the head is off and fails to format disk
> 
> where do you live and which os do you require as i can burn you a disk and send it
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: windefalk 
>   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 12:18 PM
>   Subject: [emax] Re: Can't copy OS to emax-formated DS DD disk with EMXP and/or Omniflop
> 
> 
>     
>   Hi!
> 
>   I tried HD disks and covered the left hole (front towards me)but it's the same. 
>   I had a broken emax 1 rack and bought a emax SE keyboard with broken keys =) so I exchanged the analog board and the digital board with the boards from the SE-keyboard. The screen displays software version 3.2 or something like that (master/8/data slider in the bottom)
> 
>   /Kalle
> 
>   --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote:
>   >
>   > You aren't using HD disks are you? If you are you have to cover the hole
>   > (not the write protect one- the other one....)
>   > 
>   > What OS are you trying to write?
>   > If your Emax is not SE and you attempt to load an OS with SE support it
>   > won't load.
>   > Also, same applies if you are trying to write an disk with HD support and
>   > you don't have SCSI, you can get wrong OS also, I believe
>   > 
>   > 
>   > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:21 AM, windefalk <kalle.windefalk@>wrote:
>   > 
>   > > **
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Hi E-Synthesist!
>   > >
>   > > I loaded a working sound disk into the emax and went to "Format Disk".
>   > > Everything went well till I inserted the "destination" disk. The screen
>   > > display "formatting.." Then I get the message "disk error". I've tried with
>   > > 4 disks and now they can't load. "Bad Bank on disk".
>   > > I also tried the "copy software" function with no success.
>   > >
>   > > When I loaded the disk that I had copied a sound bank to from EMXP it
>   > > displayed something like "wrong os rev".
>   > >
>   > > I can format a disk in EMXP but can not write OS to the formated disk.
>   > > I can write sounds (.em1) to an existing sound bank disk in EMXP.
>   > >
>   > > Regards
>   > > Kalle
>   > >
>   > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > Actually there's no such thing as an Emax OS disk.
>   > > > Any Emax floppy disk can contain both an OS and a soundbank.
>   > > > Your floppy disks with OS 3.2 have the full OS on them, so after booting
>   > > with these disks, it's perfectly possible to format another one. Just go to
>   > > the Format module in the Emax, and when the module asks for the disk to be
>   > > formatted, eject the OS 3.2 disk and insert an old or blank DSDD disk.
>   > > > When Emax formats the disk, it will also copy the full OS to that disk,
>   > > so after formatting you will have the OS-only disk.
>   > > >
>   > > > When using EMXP, the format function will NOT copy an OS to the floppy
>   > > disk, it will only format the sectors on the floppy.
>   > > > So after formatting, the OS has to be copied as a seperate task.
>   > > > That's what you seem to have been trying (if I understand you
>   > > correctly), but you get that Windows error and the EMXP 89 error.
>   > > > This EMXP error means that the floppy disk is NOT formatted in Emax
>   > > format. The routine in EMXP which throws that error is also being used when
>   > > EMXP wants to write a sound bank to the floppy disk.
>   > > > So it seems you can not read/write anything to those formatted disks
>   > > with EMXP (no OS, no sound bank).
>   > > > I don't understand how you can get this 89 error if you have first
>   > > successfully formatted the floppy disks for Emax. That's almost not
>   > > possible.
>   > > >
>   > > > ///E-Synthesist
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "windefalk" <kalle.windefalk@> wrote:
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Hi!
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Sorry. I wasn't clear enough!
>   > > > >
>   > > > > I have bootable sound disk floppys with OS (3.2) on them, yes!
>   > > > > I thought you would need an emax OS-only disk to perform a disk format
>   > > on the emax? Can I extract the OS from one of the sound disks to create a
>   > > blank disk with OS in the emax?
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Yes. I can format factory new DS HD disks (I know they won't work but
>   > > I had to try) and old DS DD disks (working sound disks) on the PC. Both in
>   > > Omniflop and EMXP. I haven't tried to copy sounds on the emax itself. I
>   > > look into it and get back with results. Thanks =)
>   > > > >
>   > > > > Yes, I can not write the OS to the formated disks with EMXP.
>   > > > > Windows error message is:
>   > > > > Exception Processing Message c0000014 Parameters 75b6bf7c 4 75b6bf7c
>   > > 75b6bf7c
>   > > > > next EMXP error message is:
>   > > > > errorcode 89
>   > > > > The capacity of the disk in drive A is not supported by EMAX samplers.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > The OS 3.2 file is an .EMX
>   > > > > 262 kb large
>   > > > >
>   > > > > regards
>   > > > > Kalle
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > Hi
>   > > > > > You gave a lot of information about your problem but... the exact
>   > > problem is still not clear to me.
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > - I understand you have floppy's from the seller containing the
>   > > operating system 3.2 (each Emax sound disk normally also contains an OS).
>   > > So you can boot the Emax, which means you can also format floppy disks in
>   > > the Emax itself and copy the OS on the Emax itself.
>   > > > > > Does that all work ?
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > - I understand you can format new DSDD disks for Emax on the PC with
>   > > either OmniFlop itself or EMXP (using the OmniFlop driver. You can also
>   > > copy sound banks to it (both in EMXP and on the Emax itself ("save bank")),
>   > > correct ?
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > - Do I understand it correctly that you can NOT write OS (.EMX)
>   > > files to these formatted floppy disks with EMXP ? If this is true, what
>   > > error does EMXP give when trying to write an OS file to the floppy disk ?
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "windefalk" <kalle.windefalk@> wrote:
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > Hi Emax gurus!
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > I have read through a lot of threads regarding this topic. It
>   > > feels like I'm close to a solution but... anyway. Here are my attempts;
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > 1) Got a IBM-PC laptop with floppy disk. This floppy is "on the
>   > > fly" exchangeable with i.e. a cd-rom player. Forgot what they are
>   > > called...cradle? Can this be a problem hence to the problems with
>   > > USB-floppys? (I'm running XP). I read that one had a similar problem with
>   > > the error code 89. I think it worked for him with another floppy. I will
>   > > purchase an old computer tomorrow but "everything" works except for copying
>   > > the OS to disk via EMXP
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > 2) Latest versions of EMXP 2.11.2, omniflop v3.0
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > 3) disabled antivirus program. no removable media plugged in.
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > 4) I can format a DS DD disk to an emax disk. But i can't copy the
>   > > OS to the disk. I have tried with OS 3.2 and SE 1.1 OS
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > 5) I can copy banks and images to an already formated emax disk (I
>   > > have like 10 floppys from the seller but no emax OS disk) and they work
>   > > with the emax. The OS is 3.2 according to EMXP's "Manage OS" on those
>   > > floppys. I can read, write and format those floppys in EMXP but i can't
>   > > transfer the OS to a newly formated disk.
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > 4)Omniflop "test installation" gives me 281 supported formats.
>   > > When I run the "Diagnostics" and "test disk" I got the message "The format
>   > > is recognized. You can read, write or re-format this disk" I can format a
>   > > DS DD disk with omniflop.
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > 5) I have read both manuals for EMXP and omniflop. Am I missing
>   > > something?
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > 6) I cannot format the disk in the emax without an Emax OS disk
>   > > right?
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > Someone got an idea?
>   > > > > > >
>   > > > > > > Regards
>   > > > > > > Kalle Windefalk
>   > > > > > >
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