Emax

Hi -

I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been able to boot up - I've 
tried creating boot floppies, but they've never worked, and I think the 
drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB SCSI Zip drive, and I 
was wondering if there might be any way to create a bootable image on 
that via a PC...?

Yes there is.

You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP v2.02.
(using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new image" menu). After 
the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you can add an Emax-II 
OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be downloaded in this 
group or from the emulatorarchive website.

Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk (connected to your PC).
Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" function)

One important note though !
The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in an "emax-compatible" way.
You don't need an EMAX to do that, but unfortunately my experience 
shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a Windows machine does not 
guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. This format procedure 
seems to be compatible with Emax...

///E-Synthesist



--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@...> wrote:
>
> Hi -
> 
> I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been able to boot up - 
I've 
> tried creating boot floppies, but they've never worked, and I think 
the 
> drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB SCSI Zip drive, and 
I 

> was wondering if there might be any way to create a bootable image on 
> that via a PC...?
>

Hi -

Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent utility.

Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read its OS from the 
floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to something else. The 
manual says:

"This function allows you to select which SCSI drive (0=floppy, 1-
7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for its operating 
software. Note: Emax II will always boot from floppy if a formatted 
floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"

My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID setting. I also tried 
booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set to ID 0, and using 
the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the floppy connector 
to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease Insert Disk". I 
don't know whether that's because the drive doesn't spin up in time, 
or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's been hoodwinked.

Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my Kurzweil to get 
this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender to Route 66...;) But 
once I get it working, I'll definitely be making more use of the 
wondrous EMXP...

specify otherwise --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" 
<esynthesist@...> wrote:
>
> Yes there is.
> 
> You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP v2.02.
> (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new image" menu). 
After 
> the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you can add an Emax-
II 
> OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be downloaded in 
this 
> group or from the emulatorarchive website.
> 
> Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk (connected to your 
PC).
> Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" function)
> 
> One important note though !
> The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in an "emax-compatible" 
way.
> You don't need an EMAX to do that, but unfortunately my experience 
> shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a Windows machine does 
not 
> guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
> I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. This format 
procedure 
> seems to be compatible with Emax...
> 
> ///E-Synthesist
> 
> 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> > 
> > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been able to boot up - 
> I've 
> > tried creating boot floppies, but they've never worked, and I 
think 
> the 
> > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB SCSI Zip drive, 
and 
> I 
> > was wondering if there might be any way to create a bootable 
image on 

> > that via a PC...?
> >
>

That's strange !

I have an EMAX-II rack without any internal HD.
The only two disk devices connected to this EMAX-II are:
- the internal floppy drive
- an external 100 MB ZIP drive with ID = 6 and terminator = ON.
(the Boot SCSI ID in the Master Module is set to 4 however)

When I boot the EMAX-II without any floppy disk in the drive, but 
with an EMAX-II formatted ZIP disk with OS in the ZIP drive, it boots 
from that ZIP disk !

The EMAX-II always scans the complete SCSI chain if it doesn't find 
an OS on the floppy disk or on the "default SCSI device" set by the 
SCSI ID you mentioned in the Master module. 
This Master setting does not mean that the OS can only be loaded from 
that device. The Master SCSI ID must be set if your EMAX-II has 
multiple HD's (or ZIP disks) each carrying its own OS. In that case, 
you have to tell the EMAX-II which OS device is the preferred 
one/should be used. It indicates the first HD which will be checked 
by the EMAX-II. If no OS resides on that HD, EMAX-II will start the 
SCSI chain search.

So normally you should not have any problem with booting from an 
external ZIP drive. 
(on EMAX-I however, the ZIP drive MUST have SCSI ID = 0)

Regards

///E-Synthesist



--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@...> wrote:
>
> Hi -
> 
> Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent utility.
> 
> Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read its OS from the 
> floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to something else. The 
> manual says:
> 
> "This function allows you to select which SCSI drive (0=floppy, 1-
> 7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for its operating 
> software. Note: Emax II will always boot from floppy if a formatted 
> floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"
> 
> My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID setting. I also tried 
> booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set to ID 0, and 
using 
> the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the floppy connector 
> to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease Insert Disk". I 
> don't know whether that's because the drive doesn't spin up in 
time, 
> or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's been hoodwinked.
> 
> Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my Kurzweil to get 
> this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender to Route 66...;) 
But 
> once I get it working, I'll definitely be making more use of the 
> wondrous EMXP...
> 
> specify otherwise --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" 
> <esynthesist@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes there is.
> > 
> > You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP v2.02.
> > (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new image" menu). 
> After 
> > the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you can add an 
Emax-
> II 
> > OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be downloaded in 
> this 
> > group or from the emulatorarchive website.
> > 
> > Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk (connected to your 
> PC).
> > Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" function)
> > 
> > One important note though !
> > The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in an "emax-
compatible" 
> way.
> > You don't need an EMAX to do that, but unfortunately my 
experience 
> > shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a Windows machine does 
> not 
> > guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
> > I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. This format 
> procedure 
> > seems to be compatible with Emax...
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi -
> > > 
> > > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been able to boot 
up - 
> > I've 
> > > tried creating boot floppies, but they've never worked, and I 
> think 
> > the 
> > > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB SCSI Zip 
drive, 

> and 
> > I 
> > > was wondering if there might be any way to create a bootable 
> image on 
> > > that via a PC...?
> > >
> >
>

Thanks for the extra info. When I was trying the ZIP method, I was 
using a PC formatted (250MB) disk, though you warned this might not 
work. However, the "Restore" function in EMXP seemed to operate 
correctly. But is the fact that Restore can be used to put an image 
on the disk enough to guarantee that the disk is in an acceptable 
format to the Emax...?

> That's strange !
> 
> I have an EMAX-II rack without any internal HD.
> The only two disk devices connected to this EMAX-II are:
> - the internal floppy drive
> - an external 100 MB ZIP drive with ID = 6 and terminator = ON.
> (the Boot SCSI ID in the Master Module is set to 4 however)
> 
> When I boot the EMAX-II without any floppy disk in the drive, but 
> with an EMAX-II formatted ZIP disk with OS in the ZIP drive, it 
boots 
> from that ZIP disk !
> 
> The EMAX-II always scans the complete SCSI chain if it doesn't find 
> an OS on the floppy disk or on the "default SCSI device" set by the 
> SCSI ID you mentioned in the Master module. 
> This Master setting does not mean that the OS can only be loaded 
from 
> that device. The Master SCSI ID must be set if your EMAX-II has 
> multiple HD's (or ZIP disks) each carrying its own OS. In that 
case, 
> you have to tell the EMAX-II which OS device is the preferred 
> one/should be used. It indicates the first HD which will be checked 
> by the EMAX-II. If no OS resides on that HD, EMAX-II will start the 
> SCSI chain search.
> 
> So normally you should not have any problem with booting from an 
> external ZIP drive. 
> (on EMAX-I however, the ZIP drive MUST have SCSI ID = 0)
> 
> Regards
> 
> ///E-Synthesist
> 
> 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> > 
> > Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent utility.
> > 
> > Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read its OS from the 
> > floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to something else. The 
> > manual says:
> > 
> > "This function allows you to select which SCSI drive (0=floppy, 1-
> > 7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for its operating 
> > software. Note: Emax II will always boot from floppy if a 
formatted 
> > floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"
> > 
> > My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID setting. I also 
tried 
> > booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set to ID 0, and 
> using 
> > the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the floppy 
connector 
> > to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease Insert Disk". I 
> > don't know whether that's because the drive doesn't spin up in 
> time, 
> > or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's been hoodwinked.
> > 
> > Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my Kurzweil to 
get 
> > this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender to Route 66...;) 
> But 
> > once I get it working, I'll definitely be making more use of the 
> > wondrous EMXP...
> > 
> > specify otherwise --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" 
> > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes there is.
> > > 
> > > You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP v2.02.
> > > (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new image" 
menu). 
> > After 
> > > the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you can add an 
> Emax-
> > II 
> > > OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be downloaded in 
> > this 
> > > group or from the emulatorarchive website.
> > > 
> > > Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk (connected to 
your 
> > PC).
> > > Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" function)
> > > 
> > > One important note though !
> > > The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in an "emax-
> compatible" 
> > way.
> > > You don't need an EMAX to do that, but unfortunately my 
> experience 
> > > shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a Windows machine 
does 

> > not 
> > > guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
> > > I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. This format 
> > procedure 
> > > seems to be compatible with Emax...
> > > 
> > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi -
> > > > 
> > > > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been able to boot 
> up - 
> > > I've 
> > > > tried creating boot floppies, but they've never worked, and I 
> > think 
> > > the 
> > > > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB SCSI Zip 
> drive, 
> > and 
> > > I 
> > > > was wondering if there might be any way to create a bootable 
> > image on 
> > > > that via a PC...?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

No, the restore function always works.
Windows formatted ZIP disks are almost the same as Emax/MAC formatted 
ZIP disks. But Emax/Mac machines format a few more sectors on the 
disk, and unfortunately Emax seems to check the existence of these 
additional sectors. If it can't find them, it gives an error 
message "Not an EMAX-II disk" or something like that.

I haven't found a way yet to format ZIP disks with those additonal 
sectors under Windows XP. I think it's possible with parallel 
versions and old Iomega drivers, but most of us use USB drives of 
course.
Anyway, that's the reason why there's no "format ZIP" function in 
EMXP...

So I hope you have access to a Mac computer somewhere ?
(or pre-formatted ZIP-disks for MAC, those exist too !)

///E-Synthesist

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the extra info. When I was trying the ZIP method, I was 
> using a PC formatted (250MB) disk, though you warned this might not 
> work. However, the "Restore" function in EMXP seemed to operate 
> correctly. But is the fact that Restore can be used to put an image 
> on the disk enough to guarantee that the disk is in an acceptable 
> format to the Emax...?
> 
> > That's strange !
> > 
> > I have an EMAX-II rack without any internal HD.
> > The only two disk devices connected to this EMAX-II are:
> > - the internal floppy drive
> > - an external 100 MB ZIP drive with ID = 6 and terminator = ON.
> > (the Boot SCSI ID in the Master Module is set to 4 however)
> > 
> > When I boot the EMAX-II without any floppy disk in the drive, but 
> > with an EMAX-II formatted ZIP disk with OS in the ZIP drive, it 
> boots 
> > from that ZIP disk !
> > 
> > The EMAX-II always scans the complete SCSI chain if it doesn't 
find 
> > an OS on the floppy disk or on the "default SCSI device" set by 
the 
> > SCSI ID you mentioned in the Master module. 
> > This Master setting does not mean that the OS can only be loaded 
> from 
> > that device. The Master SCSI ID must be set if your EMAX-II has 
> > multiple HD's (or ZIP disks) each carrying its own OS. In that 
> case, 
> > you have to tell the EMAX-II which OS device is the preferred 
> > one/should be used. It indicates the first HD which will be 
checked 
> > by the EMAX-II. If no OS resides on that HD, EMAX-II will start 
the 
> > SCSI chain search.
> > 
> > So normally you should not have any problem with booting from an 
> > external ZIP drive. 
> > (on EMAX-I however, the ZIP drive MUST have SCSI ID = 0)
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi -
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent utility.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read its OS from the 
> > > floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to something else. 
The 
> > > manual says:
> > > 
> > > "This function allows you to select which SCSI drive (0=floppy, 
1-
> > > 7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for its operating 
> > > software. Note: Emax II will always boot from floppy if a 
> formatted 
> > > floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"
> > > 
> > > My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID setting. I also 
> tried 
> > > booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set to ID 0, and 
> > using 
> > > the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the floppy 
> connector 
> > > to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease Insert Disk". 
I 
> > > don't know whether that's because the drive doesn't spin up in 
> > time, 
> > > or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's been 
hoodwinked.
> > > 
> > > Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my Kurzweil to 
> get 
> > > this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender to Route 
66...;) 
> > But 
> > > once I get it working, I'll definitely be making more use of 
the 
> > > wondrous EMXP...
> > > 
> > > specify otherwise --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" 
> > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes there is.
> > > > 
> > > > You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP v2.02.
> > > > (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new image" 
> menu). 
> > > After 
> > > > the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you can add an 
> > Emax-
> > > II 
> > > > OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be downloaded 
in 
> > > this 
> > > > group or from the emulatorarchive website.
> > > > 
> > > > Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk (connected to 
> your 
> > > PC).
> > > > Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" function)
> > > > 
> > > > One important note though !
> > > > The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in an "emax-
> > compatible" 
> > > way.
> > > > You don't need an EMAX to do that, but unfortunately my 
> > experience 
> > > > shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a Windows machine 
> does 
> > > not 
> > > > guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
> > > > I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. This format 
> > > procedure 
> > > > seems to be compatible with Emax...
> > > > 
> > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi -
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been able to 
boot 
> > up - 
> > > > I've 
> > > > > tried creating boot floppies, but they've never worked, and 
I 
> > > think 
> > > > the 
> > > > > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB SCSI Zip 
> > drive, 
> > > and 
> > > > I 
> > > > > was wondering if there might be any way to create a 
bootable 

> > > image on 
> > > > > that via a PC...?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Just FYI: I managed to format a ZIP disk on a Windows XP machine in 
such way that the disk is readable and bootable by an Emax.

I'll just explain exactly what I did:

1/ I formatted the disk using a free demo-version of MacDisk (for 
WinXP). I used the HFS (not HFS+) format option.

--> This disk is not usable on an Emax yet, but at least the original 
MS-DOS format structure is "killed" :-)

2/ Then I re-formatted the very same disk using the IomegaWare format 
function (I have IomegaWare running on my PC, this package adds some 
functions to the Windows Explorer menu, of which also Iomega Format).
I used the short format (30 seconds) procedure.

--> This format resulted in an error... 

3/ Immediately after this Iomega Format I re-formatted the very same 
disk again, this time simply with the standard Format Disk function 
in Windows Explorer. I used the "long" format option. The format 
capacity I selected was 96 MB (the only possible one).

Then I copied an EMAX-II HD image to that ZIP disk with EMXP.

--> This disk can be read and booted on my EMAX-II !


Maybe step 2 can be skipped, I don't know because I don't have any 
non-EMAX zip disks left so I can't do another test anymore.

Anyway, whatever format tools you try, it is extremely important that 
you are able to format the disk with a 96 MB capacity. So not the 
95.7 MB which is the default capacity suggested by Windows Explorer...

So it seems possible to create an EMAX-II ZIP disk from scratch 
without any need for a Mac computer or EMAX-II sampler !


Have fun,

///E-Synthesist




--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@...> wrote:
>
> No, the restore function always works.
> Windows formatted ZIP disks are almost the same as Emax/MAC 
formatted 
> ZIP disks. But Emax/Mac machines format a few more sectors on the 
> disk, and unfortunately Emax seems to check the existence of these 
> additional sectors. If it can't find them, it gives an error 
> message "Not an EMAX-II disk" or something like that.
> 
> I haven't found a way yet to format ZIP disks with those additonal 
> sectors under Windows XP. I think it's possible with parallel 
> versions and old Iomega drivers, but most of us use USB drives of 
> course.
> Anyway, that's the reason why there's no "format ZIP" function in 
> EMXP...
> 
> So I hope you have access to a Mac computer somewhere ?
> (or pre-formatted ZIP-disks for MAC, those exist too !)
> 
> ///E-Synthesist
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the extra info. When I was trying the ZIP method, I 
was 
> > using a PC formatted (250MB) disk, though you warned this might 
not 
> > work. However, the "Restore" function in EMXP seemed to operate 
> > correctly. But is the fact that Restore can be used to put an 
image 
> > on the disk enough to guarantee that the disk is in an acceptable 
> > format to the Emax...?
> > 
> > > That's strange !
> > > 
> > > I have an EMAX-II rack without any internal HD.
> > > The only two disk devices connected to this EMAX-II are:
> > > - the internal floppy drive
> > > - an external 100 MB ZIP drive with ID = 6 and terminator = ON.
> > > (the Boot SCSI ID in the Master Module is set to 4 however)
> > > 
> > > When I boot the EMAX-II without any floppy disk in the drive, 
but 
> > > with an EMAX-II formatted ZIP disk with OS in the ZIP drive, it 
> > boots 
> > > from that ZIP disk !
> > > 
> > > The EMAX-II always scans the complete SCSI chain if it doesn't 
> find 
> > > an OS on the floppy disk or on the "default SCSI device" set by 
> the 
> > > SCSI ID you mentioned in the Master module. 
> > > This Master setting does not mean that the OS can only be 
loaded 
> > from 
> > > that device. The Master SCSI ID must be set if your EMAX-II has 
> > > multiple HD's (or ZIP disks) each carrying its own OS. In that 
> > case, 
> > > you have to tell the EMAX-II which OS device is the preferred 
> > > one/should be used. It indicates the first HD which will be 
> checked 
> > > by the EMAX-II. If no OS resides on that HD, EMAX-II will start 
> the 
> > > SCSI chain search.
> > > 
> > > So normally you should not have any problem with booting from 
an 
> > > external ZIP drive. 
> > > (on EMAX-I however, the ZIP drive MUST have SCSI ID = 0)
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > 
> > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi -
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent utility.
> > > > 
> > > > Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read its OS from 
the 
> > > > floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to something else. 
> The 
> > > > manual says:
> > > > 
> > > > "This function allows you to select which SCSI drive 
(0=floppy, 
> 1-
> > > > 7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for its operating 
> > > > software. Note: Emax II will always boot from floppy if a 
> > formatted 
> > > > floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"
> > > > 
> > > > My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID setting. I also 
> > tried 
> > > > booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set to ID 0, 
and 
> > > using 
> > > > the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the floppy 
> > connector 
> > > > to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease Insert 
Disk". 
> I 
> > > > don't know whether that's because the drive doesn't spin up 
in 
> > > time, 
> > > > or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's been 
> hoodwinked.
> > > > 
> > > > Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my Kurzweil 
to 
> > get 
> > > > this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender to Route 
> 66...;) 
> > > But 
> > > > once I get it working, I'll definitely be making more use of 
> the 
> > > > wondrous EMXP...
> > > > 
> > > > specify otherwise --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" 
> > > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes there is.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP v2.02.
> > > > > (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new image" 
> > menu). 
> > > > After 
> > > > > the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you can add 
an 
> > > Emax-
> > > > II 
> > > > > OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be 
downloaded 
> in 
> > > > this 
> > > > > group or from the emulatorarchive website.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk (connected to 
> > your 
> > > > PC).
> > > > > Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" function)
> > > > > 
> > > > > One important note though !
> > > > > The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in an "emax-
> > > compatible" 
> > > > way.
> > > > > You don't need an EMAX to do that, but unfortunately my 
> > > experience 
> > > > > shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a Windows 
machine 
> > does 
> > > > not 
> > > > > guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
> > > > > I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. This 
format 
> > > > procedure 
> > > > > seems to be compatible with Emax...
> > > > > 
> > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been able to 
> boot 
> > > up - 
> > > > > I've 
> > > > > > tried creating boot floppies, but they've never worked, 
and 

> I 
> > > > think 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB SCSI Zip 
> > > drive, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > I 
> > > > > > was wondering if there might be any way to create a 
> bootable 
> > > > image on 
> > > > > > that via a PC...?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Nice work...;) I was fiddling around trying something similar with a 
free demo of MacDrive, but it got my PC into a horrible state - I 
wouldn't recommend letting this software anywhere near your 
computer. I'll have another crack at it with this approach. 

) --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@...> wrote:
>
> Just FYI: I managed to format a ZIP disk on a Windows XP machine 
in 
> such way that the disk is readable and bootable by an Emax.
> 
> I'll just explain exactly what I did:
> 
> 1/ I formatted the disk using a free demo-version of MacDisk (for 
> WinXP). I used the HFS (not HFS+) format option.
> 
> --> This disk is not usable on an Emax yet, but at least the 
original 
> MS-DOS format structure is "killed" :-)
> 
> 2/ Then I re-formatted the very same disk using the IomegaWare 
format 
> function (I have IomegaWare running on my PC, this package adds 
some 
> functions to the Windows Explorer menu, of which also Iomega 
Format).
> I used the short format (30 seconds) procedure.
> 
> --> This format resulted in an error... 
> 
> 3/ Immediately after this Iomega Format I re-formatted the very 
same 
> disk again, this time simply with the standard Format Disk 
function 
> in Windows Explorer. I used the "long" format option. The format 
> capacity I selected was 96 MB (the only possible one).
> 
> Then I copied an EMAX-II HD image to that ZIP disk with EMXP.
> 
> --> This disk can be read and booted on my EMAX-II !
> 
> 
> Maybe step 2 can be skipped, I don't know because I don't have any 
> non-EMAX zip disks left so I can't do another test anymore.
> 
> Anyway, whatever format tools you try, it is extremely important 
that 
> you are able to format the disk with a 96 MB capacity. So not the 
> 95.7 MB which is the default capacity suggested by Windows 
Explorer...
> 
> So it seems possible to create an EMAX-II ZIP disk from scratch 
> without any need for a Mac computer or EMAX-II sampler !
> 
> 
> Have fun,
> 
> ///E-Synthesist
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> >
> > No, the restore function always works.
> > Windows formatted ZIP disks are almost the same as Emax/MAC 
> formatted 
> > ZIP disks. But Emax/Mac machines format a few more sectors on 
the 
> > disk, and unfortunately Emax seems to check the existence of 
these 
> > additional sectors. If it can't find them, it gives an error 
> > message "Not an EMAX-II disk" or something like that.
> > 
> > I haven't found a way yet to format ZIP disks with those 
additonal 
> > sectors under Windows XP. I think it's possible with parallel 
> > versions and old Iomega drivers, but most of us use USB drives 
of 
> > course.
> > Anyway, that's the reason why there's no "format ZIP" function 
in 
> > EMXP...
> > 
> > So I hope you have access to a Mac computer somewhere ?
> > (or pre-formatted ZIP-disks for MAC, those exist too !)
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the extra info. When I was trying the ZIP method, I 
> was 
> > > using a PC formatted (250MB) disk, though you warned this 
might 
> not 
> > > work. However, the "Restore" function in EMXP seemed to 
operate 
> > > correctly. But is the fact that Restore can be used to put an 
> image 
> > > on the disk enough to guarantee that the disk is in an 
acceptable 
> > > format to the Emax...?
> > > 
> > > > That's strange !
> > > > 
> > > > I have an EMAX-II rack without any internal HD.
> > > > The only two disk devices connected to this EMAX-II are:
> > > > - the internal floppy drive
> > > > - an external 100 MB ZIP drive with ID = 6 and terminator = 
ON.
> > > > (the Boot SCSI ID in the Master Module is set to 4 however)
> > > > 
> > > > When I boot the EMAX-II without any floppy disk in the 
drive, 
> but 
> > > > with an EMAX-II formatted ZIP disk with OS in the ZIP drive, 
it 
> > > boots 
> > > > from that ZIP disk !
> > > > 
> > > > The EMAX-II always scans the complete SCSI chain if it 
doesn't 
> > find 
> > > > an OS on the floppy disk or on the "default SCSI device" set 
by 
> > the 
> > > > SCSI ID you mentioned in the Master module. 
> > > > This Master setting does not mean that the OS can only be 
> loaded 
> > > from 
> > > > that device. The Master SCSI ID must be set if your EMAX-II 
has 
> > > > multiple HD's (or ZIP disks) each carrying its own OS. In 
that 
> > > case, 
> > > > you have to tell the EMAX-II which OS device is the 
preferred 
> > > > one/should be used. It indicates the first HD which will be 
> > checked 
> > > > by the EMAX-II. If no OS resides on that HD, EMAX-II will 
start 
> > the 
> > > > SCSI chain search.
> > > > 
> > > > So normally you should not have any problem with booting 
from 
> an 
> > > > external ZIP drive. 
> > > > (on EMAX-I however, the ZIP drive MUST have SCSI ID = 0)
> > > > 
> > > > Regards
> > > > 
> > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi -
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent utility.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read its OS 
from 
> the 
> > > > > floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to something 
else. 
> > The 
> > > > > manual says:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "This function allows you to select which SCSI drive 
> (0=floppy, 
> > 1-
> > > > > 7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for its 
operating 
> > > > > software. Note: Emax II will always boot from floppy if a 
> > > formatted 
> > > > > floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"
> > > > > 
> > > > > My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID setting. I 
also 
> > > tried 
> > > > > booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set to ID 
0, 
> and 
> > > > using 
> > > > > the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the floppy 
> > > connector 
> > > > > to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease Insert 
> Disk". 
> > I 
> > > > > don't know whether that's because the drive doesn't spin 
up 
> in 
> > > > time, 
> > > > > or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's been 
> > hoodwinked.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my 
Kurzweil 
> to 
> > > get 
> > > > > this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender to Route 
> > 66...;) 
> > > > But 
> > > > > once I get it working, I'll definitely be making more use 
of 
> > the 
> > > > > wondrous EMXP...
> > > > > 
> > > > > specify otherwise --- In 
emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" 
> > > > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes there is.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP v2.02.
> > > > > > (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new 
image" 
> > > menu). 
> > > > > After 
> > > > > > the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you can 
add 
> an 
> > > > Emax-
> > > > > II 
> > > > > > OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be 
> downloaded 
> > in 
> > > > > this 
> > > > > > group or from the emulatorarchive website.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk (connected 
to 
> > > your 
> > > > > PC).
> > > > > > Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" function)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > One important note though !
> > > > > > The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in an "emax-
> > > > compatible" 
> > > > > way.
> > > > > > You don't need an EMAX to do that, but unfortunately my 
> > > > experience 
> > > > > > shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a Windows 
> machine 
> > > does 
> > > > > not 
> > > > > > guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
> > > > > > I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. This 
> format 
> > > > > procedure 
> > > > > > seems to be compatible with Emax...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In emax@...m, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been able 
to 
> > boot 
> > > > up - 
> > > > > > I've 
> > > > > > > tried creating boot floppies, but they've never 
worked, 
> and 
> > I 
> > > > > think 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB SCSI 
Zip 

> > > > drive, 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > was wondering if there might be any way to create a 
> > bootable 
> > > > > image on 
> > > > > > > that via a PC...?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

...an additional point of confusion I'm finding with this is that I 
can't see any indication of ZIP drive activity on boot, so I'm not 
sure that the Emax is looking at these disks that I'm carefully 
crafting for it. I don't know whether I should be expecting some of 
those snapping and shuffling noises I get when using it with a PC. 
When I tried connecting a CD drive and booting the Emax, there was 
no evidence of spin-up on that either.

Perhaps you could confirm whether you would expect more signs of 
life, even with a non-bootable Zip disk (I don't know how quiet the 
process should be, but this is silent), and whether your Emax II 
still scans the SCSI chain with the SCSI boot ID set to 0...?

Thanks!

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@...> wrote:
>
> Nice work...;) I was fiddling around trying something similar with 
a 
> free demo of MacDrive, but it got my PC into a horrible state - I 
> wouldn't recommend letting this software anywhere near your 
> computer. I'll have another crack at it with this approach. 
> 
> ) --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> >
> > Just FYI: I managed to format a ZIP disk on a Windows XP machine 
> in 
> > such way that the disk is readable and bootable by an Emax.
> > 
> > I'll just explain exactly what I did:
> > 
> > 1/ I formatted the disk using a free demo-version of MacDisk 
(for 
> > WinXP). I used the HFS (not HFS+) format option.
> > 
> > --> This disk is not usable on an Emax yet, but at least the 
> original 
> > MS-DOS format structure is "killed" :-)
> > 
> > 2/ Then I re-formatted the very same disk using the IomegaWare 
> format 
> > function (I have IomegaWare running on my PC, this package adds 
> some 
> > functions to the Windows Explorer menu, of which also Iomega 
> Format).
> > I used the short format (30 seconds) procedure.
> > 
> > --> This format resulted in an error... 
> > 
> > 3/ Immediately after this Iomega Format I re-formatted the very 
> same 
> > disk again, this time simply with the standard Format Disk 
> function 
> > in Windows Explorer. I used the "long" format option. The format 
> > capacity I selected was 96 MB (the only possible one).
> > 
> > Then I copied an EMAX-II HD image to that ZIP disk with EMXP.
> > 
> > --> This disk can be read and booted on my EMAX-II !
> > 
> > 
> > Maybe step 2 can be skipped, I don't know because I don't have 
any 
> > non-EMAX zip disks left so I can't do another test anymore.
> > 
> > Anyway, whatever format tools you try, it is extremely important 
> that 
> > you are able to format the disk with a 96 MB capacity. So not 
the 
> > 95.7 MB which is the default capacity suggested by Windows 
> Explorer...
> > 
> > So it seems possible to create an EMAX-II ZIP disk from scratch 
> > without any need for a Mac computer or EMAX-II sampler !
> > 
> > 
> > Have fun,
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No, the restore function always works.
> > > Windows formatted ZIP disks are almost the same as Emax/MAC 
> > formatted 
> > > ZIP disks. But Emax/Mac machines format a few more sectors on 
> the 
> > > disk, and unfortunately Emax seems to check the existence of 
> these 
> > > additional sectors. If it can't find them, it gives an error 
> > > message "Not an EMAX-II disk" or something like that.
> > > 
> > > I haven't found a way yet to format ZIP disks with those 
> additonal 
> > > sectors under Windows XP. I think it's possible with parallel 
> > > versions and old Iomega drivers, but most of us use USB drives 
> of 
> > > course.
> > > Anyway, that's the reason why there's no "format ZIP" function 
> in 
> > > EMXP...
> > > 
> > > So I hope you have access to a Mac computer somewhere ?
> > > (or pre-formatted ZIP-disks for MAC, those exist too !)
> > > 
> > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the extra info. When I was trying the ZIP method, 
I 
> > was 
> > > > using a PC formatted (250MB) disk, though you warned this 
> might 
> > not 
> > > > work. However, the "Restore" function in EMXP seemed to 
> operate 
> > > > correctly. But is the fact that Restore can be used to put 
an 
> > image 
> > > > on the disk enough to guarantee that the disk is in an 
> acceptable 
> > > > format to the Emax...?
> > > > 
> > > > > That's strange !
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have an EMAX-II rack without any internal HD.
> > > > > The only two disk devices connected to this EMAX-II are:
> > > > > - the internal floppy drive
> > > > > - an external 100 MB ZIP drive with ID = 6 and terminator 
= 
> ON.
> > > > > (the Boot SCSI ID in the Master Module is set to 4 however)
> > > > > 
> > > > > When I boot the EMAX-II without any floppy disk in the 
> drive, 
> > but 
> > > > > with an EMAX-II formatted ZIP disk with OS in the ZIP 
drive, 
> it 
> > > > boots 
> > > > > from that ZIP disk !
> > > > > 
> > > > > The EMAX-II always scans the complete SCSI chain if it 
> doesn't 
> > > find 
> > > > > an OS on the floppy disk or on the "default SCSI device" 
set 
> by 
> > > the 
> > > > > SCSI ID you mentioned in the Master module. 
> > > > > This Master setting does not mean that the OS can only be 
> > loaded 
> > > > from 
> > > > > that device. The Master SCSI ID must be set if your EMAX-
II 
> has 
> > > > > multiple HD's (or ZIP disks) each carrying its own OS. In 
> that 
> > > > case, 
> > > > > you have to tell the EMAX-II which OS device is the 
> preferred 
> > > > > one/should be used. It indicates the first HD which will 
be 
> > > checked 
> > > > > by the EMAX-II. If no OS resides on that HD, EMAX-II will 
> start 
> > > the 
> > > > > SCSI chain search.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So normally you should not have any problem with booting 
> from 
> > an 
> > > > > external ZIP drive. 
> > > > > (on EMAX-I however, the ZIP drive MUST have SCSI ID = 0)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > 
> > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent utility.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read its OS 
> from 
> > the 
> > > > > > floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to something 
> else. 
> > > The 
> > > > > > manual says:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "This function allows you to select which SCSI drive 
> > (0=floppy, 
> > > 1-
> > > > > > 7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for its 
> operating 
> > > > > > software. Note: Emax II will always boot from floppy if 
a 
> > > > formatted 
> > > > > > floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID setting. I 
> also 
> > > > tried 
> > > > > > booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set to ID 
> 0, 
> > and 
> > > > > using 
> > > > > > the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the 
floppy 
> > > > connector 
> > > > > > to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease Insert 
> > Disk". 
> > > I 
> > > > > > don't know whether that's because the drive doesn't spin 
> up 
> > in 
> > > > > time, 
> > > > > > or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's been 
> > > hoodwinked.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my 
> Kurzweil 
> > to 
> > > > get 
> > > > > > this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender to 
Route 
> > > 66...;) 
> > > > > But 
> > > > > > once I get it working, I'll definitely be making more 
use 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > > > wondrous EMXP...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > specify otherwise --- In 
> emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" 
> > > > > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes there is.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP 
v2.02.
> > > > > > > (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new 
> image" 
> > > > menu). 
> > > > > > After 
> > > > > > > the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you can 
> add 
> > an 
> > > > > Emax-
> > > > > > II 
> > > > > > > OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be 
> > downloaded 
> > > in 
> > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > group or from the emulatorarchive website.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk 
(connected 
> to 
> > > > your 
> > > > > > PC).
> > > > > > > Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" function)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > One important note though !
> > > > > > > The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in 
an "emax-
> > > > > compatible" 
> > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > You don't need an EMAX to do that, but unfortunately 
my 
> > > > > experience 
> > > > > > > shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a Windows 
> > machine 
> > > > does 
> > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
> > > > > > > I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. This 
> > format 
> > > > > > procedure 
> > > > > > > seems to be compatible with Emax...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" 
<b_j_glover@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been able 
> to 
> > > boot 
> > > > > up - 
> > > > > > > I've 
> > > > > > > > tried creating boot floppies, but they've never 
> worked, 
> > and 
> > > I 
> > > > > > think 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB 
SCSI 

> Zip 
> > > > > drive, 
> > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > was wondering if there might be any way to create a 
> > > bootable 
> > > > > > image on 
> > > > > > > > that via a PC...?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hello there

My experiences with the Emax II with it's associated Zip can sometimes be
problematic too.
I find if I haven't used it for awhile the connections internally and externally
(Scsi Zip cable) often benefit from being re-connected and a little contact cleaning
or enhancing can do the trick.
For cleaning, try Isopropyl Alcohol.

regards
Lyn

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: b_j_glover 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:02 AM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Emax II - boot from Zip...?


  ...an additional point of confusion I'm finding with this is that I 
  can't see any indication of ZIP drive activity on boot, so I'm not 
  sure that the Emax is looking at these disks that I'm carefully 
  crafting for it. I don't know whether I should be expecting some of 
  those snapping and shuffling noises I get when using it with a PC. 
  When I tried connecting a CD drive and booting the Emax, there was 
  no evidence of spin-up on that either.

  Perhaps you could confirm whether you would expect more signs of 
  life, even with a non-bootable Zip disk (I don't know how quiet the 
  process should be, but this is silent), and whether your Emax II 
  still scans the SCSI chain with the SCSI boot ID set to 0...?

  Thanks!

  --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@...> wrote:
  >
  > Nice work...;) I was fiddling around trying something similar with 
  a 
  > free demo of MacDrive, but it got my PC into a horrible state - I 
  > wouldn't recommend letting this software anywhere near your 
  > computer. I'll have another crack at it with this approach. 
  > 
  > ) --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Just FYI: I managed to format a ZIP disk on a Windows XP machine 
  > in 
  > > such way that the disk is readable and bootable by an Emax.
  > > 
  > > I'll just explain exactly what I did:
  > > 
  > > 1/ I formatted the disk using a free demo-version of MacDisk 
  (for 
  > > WinXP). I used the HFS (not HFS+) format option.
  > > 
  > > --> This disk is not usable on an Emax yet, but at least the 
  > original 
  > > MS-DOS format structure is "killed" :-)
  > > 
  > > 2/ Then I re-formatted the very same disk using the IomegaWare 
  > format 
  > > function (I have IomegaWare running on my PC, this package adds 
  > some 
  > > functions to the Windows Explorer menu, of which also Iomega 
  > Format).
  > > I used the short format (30 seconds) procedure.
  > > 
  > > --> This format resulted in an error... 
  > > 
  > > 3/ Immediately after this Iomega Format I re-formatted the very 
  > same 
  > > disk again, this time simply with the standard Format Disk 
  > function 
  > > in Windows Explorer. I used the "long" format option. The format 
  > > capacity I selected was 96 MB (the only possible one).
  > > 
  > > Then I copied an EMAX-II HD image to that ZIP disk with EMXP.
  > > 
  > > --> This disk can be read and booted on my EMAX-II !
  > > 
  > > 
  > > Maybe step 2 can be skipped, I don't know because I don't have 
  any 
  > > non-EMAX zip disks left so I can't do another test anymore.
  > > 
  > > Anyway, whatever format tools you try, it is extremely important 
  > that 
  > > you are able to format the disk with a 96 MB capacity. So not 
  the 
  > > 95.7 MB which is the default capacity suggested by Windows 
  > Explorer...
  > > 
  > > So it seems possible to create an EMAX-II ZIP disk from scratch 
  > > without any need for a Mac computer or EMAX-II sampler !
  > > 
  > > 
  > > Have fun,
  > > 
  > > ///E-Synthesist
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > No, the restore function always works.
  > > > Windows formatted ZIP disks are almost the same as Emax/MAC 
  > > formatted 
  > > > ZIP disks. But Emax/Mac machines format a few more sectors on 
  > the 
  > > > disk, and unfortunately Emax seems to check the existence of 
  > these 
  > > > additional sectors. If it can't find them, it gives an error 
  > > > message "Not an EMAX-II disk" or something like that.
  > > > 
  > > > I haven't found a way yet to format ZIP disks with those 
  > additonal 
  > > > sectors under Windows XP. I think it's possible with parallel 
  > > > versions and old Iomega drivers, but most of us use USB drives 
  > of 
  > > > course.
  > > > Anyway, that's the reason why there's no "format ZIP" function 
  > in 
  > > > EMXP...
  > > > 
  > > > So I hope you have access to a Mac computer somewhere ?
  > > > (or pre-formatted ZIP-disks for MAC, those exist too !)
  > > > 
  > > > ///E-Synthesist
  > > > 
  > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > Thanks for the extra info. When I was trying the ZIP method, 
  I 
  > > was 
  > > > > using a PC formatted (250MB) disk, though you warned this 
  > might 
  > > not 
  > > > > work. However, the "Restore" function in EMXP seemed to 
  > operate 
  > > > > correctly. But is the fact that Restore can be used to put 
  an 
  > > image 
  > > > > on the disk enough to guarantee that the disk is in an 
  > acceptable 
  > > > > format to the Emax...?
  > > > > 
  > > > > > That's strange !
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > I have an EMAX-II rack without any internal HD.
  > > > > > The only two disk devices connected to this EMAX-II are:
  > > > > > - the internal floppy drive
  > > > > > - an external 100 MB ZIP drive with ID = 6 and terminator 
  = 
  > ON.
  > > > > > (the Boot SCSI ID in the Master Module is set to 4 however)
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > When I boot the EMAX-II without any floppy disk in the 
  > drive, 
  > > but 
  > > > > > with an EMAX-II formatted ZIP disk with OS in the ZIP 
  drive, 
  > it 
  > > > > boots 
  > > > > > from that ZIP disk !
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > The EMAX-II always scans the complete SCSI chain if it 
  > doesn't 
  > > > find 
  > > > > > an OS on the floppy disk or on the "default SCSI device" 
  set 
  > by 
  > > > the 
  > > > > > SCSI ID you mentioned in the Master module. 
  > > > > > This Master setting does not mean that the OS can only be 
  > > loaded 
  > > > > from 
  > > > > > that device. The Master SCSI ID must be set if your EMAX-
  II 
  > has 
  > > > > > multiple HD's (or ZIP disks) each carrying its own OS. In 
  > that 
  > > > > case, 
  > > > > > you have to tell the EMAX-II which OS device is the 
  > preferred 
  > > > > > one/should be used. It indicates the first HD which will 
  be 
  > > > checked 
  > > > > > by the EMAX-II. If no OS resides on that HD, EMAX-II will 
  > start 
  > > > the 
  > > > > > SCSI chain search.
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > So normally you should not have any problem with booting 
  > from 
  > > an 
  > > > > > external ZIP drive. 
  > > > > > (on EMAX-I however, the ZIP drive MUST have SCSI ID = 0)
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > Regards
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> 
  > wrote:
  > > > > > >
  > > > > > > Hi -
  > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent utility.
  > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read its OS 
  > from 
  > > the 
  > > > > > > floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to something 
  > else. 
  > > > The 
  > > > > > > manual says:
  > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > "This function allows you to select which SCSI drive 
  > > (0=floppy, 
  > > > 1-
  > > > > > > 7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for its 
  > operating 
  > > > > > > software. Note: Emax II will always boot from floppy if 
  a 
  > > > > formatted 
  > > > > > > floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"
  > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID setting. I 
  > also 
  > > > > tried 
  > > > > > > booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set to ID 
  > 0, 
  > > and 
  > > > > > using 
  > > > > > > the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the 
  floppy 
  > > > > connector 
  > > > > > > to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease Insert 
  > > Disk". 
  > > > I 
  > > > > > > don't know whether that's because the drive doesn't spin 
  > up 
  > > in 
  > > > > > time, 
  > > > > > > or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's been 
  > > > hoodwinked.
  > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my 
  > Kurzweil 
  > > to 
  > > > > get 
  > > > > > > this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender to 
  Route 
  > > > 66...;) 
  > > > > > But 
  > > > > > > once I get it working, I'll definitely be making more 
  use 
  > of 
  > > > the 
  > > > > > > wondrous EMXP...
  > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > specify otherwise --- In 
  > emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" 
  > > > > > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > Yes there is.
  > > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > > You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP 
  v2.02.
  > > > > > > > (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new 
  > image" 
  > > > > menu). 
  > > > > > > After 
  > > > > > > > the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you can 
  > add 
  > > an 
  > > > > > Emax-
  > > > > > > II 
  > > > > > > > OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be 
  > > downloaded 
  > > > in 
  > > > > > > this 
  > > > > > > > group or from the emulatorarchive website.
  > > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > > Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk 
  (connected 
  > to 
  > > > > your 
  > > > > > > PC).
  > > > > > > > Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" function)
  > > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > > One important note though !
  > > > > > > > The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in 
  an "emax-
  > > > > > compatible" 
  > > > > > > way.
  > > > > > > > You don't need an EMAX to do that, but unfortunately 
  my 
  > > > > > experience 
  > > > > > > > shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a Windows 
  > > machine 
  > > > > does 
  > > > > > > not 
  > > > > > > > guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
  > > > > > > > I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. This 
  > > format 
  > > > > > > procedure 
  > > > > > > > seems to be compatible with Emax...
  > > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
  > > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" 
  <b_j_glover@> 
  > > wrote:
  > > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > > > Hi -
  > > > > > > > > 
  > > > > > > > > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been able 
  > to 
  > > > boot 
  > > > > > up - 
  > > > > > > > I've 
  > > > > > > > > tried creating boot floppies, but they've never 
  > worked, 
  > > and 
  > > > I 
  > > > > > > think 
  > > > > > > > the 
  > > > > > > > > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB 
  SCSI 
  > Zip 
  > > > > > drive, 
  > > > > > > and 
  > > > > > > > I 
  > > > > > > > > was wondering if there might be any way to create a 
  > > > bootable 
  > > > > > > image on 
  > > > > > > > > that via a PC...?
  > > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > >
  > > >
  > >
  >



   

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You're right... booting does not work the same when SCSI ID is set to 
0. 
When SCSI ID is set to 0, the EMAX-II only wants to boot from floppy 
disk and it does not check the SCSI chain.
When SCSI ID is set to any other value, the EMAX-II will first try 
the preferred boot SCSI ID and afterwards also try all other 6 IDs.
In that case, if a bad formatted ZIP disk is present in the ZIP 
drive, there's still a bit of activity on the ZIP drive every time 
EMAX-II checks the ZIP drive.
Note also that EMAX-II always shows the SCSI ID it is checking on its 
display. If your display only shows "Insert Disk", this means that 
the SCSI ID had been set to 0 and that EMAX-II is not checking the 
SCSI chain.

Unfortunately I guess this is your problem. That's a pitty. 
I have no idea if it is possible to disconnect the flat cable of your 
floppy drive and put any other SCSI device on that port (internally, 
e.g. an internal ZIP drive with ID set to 0). I guess not...

Anyway, good luck !

///E-Synthesist



--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@...> wrote:
>
> ...an additional point of confusion I'm finding with this is that I 
> can't see any indication of ZIP drive activity on boot, so I'm not 
> sure that the Emax is looking at these disks that I'm carefully 
> crafting for it. I don't know whether I should be expecting some of 
> those snapping and shuffling noises I get when using it with a PC. 
> When I tried connecting a CD drive and booting the Emax, there was 
> no evidence of spin-up on that either.
> 
> Perhaps you could confirm whether you would expect more signs of 
> life, even with a non-bootable Zip disk (I don't know how quiet the 
> process should be, but this is silent), and whether your Emax II 
> still scans the SCSI chain with the SCSI boot ID set to 0...?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> >
> > Nice work...;) I was fiddling around trying something similar 
with 
> a 
> > free demo of MacDrive, but it got my PC into a horrible state - I 
> > wouldn't recommend letting this software anywhere near your 
> > computer. I'll have another crack at it with this approach. 
> > 
> > ) --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just FYI: I managed to format a ZIP disk on a Windows XP 
machine 
> > in 
> > > such way that the disk is readable and bootable by an Emax.
> > > 
> > > I'll just explain exactly what I did:
> > > 
> > > 1/ I formatted the disk using a free demo-version of MacDisk 
> (for 
> > > WinXP). I used the HFS (not HFS+) format option.
> > > 
> > > --> This disk is not usable on an Emax yet, but at least the 
> > original 
> > > MS-DOS format structure is "killed" :-)
> > > 
> > > 2/ Then I re-formatted the very same disk using the IomegaWare 
> > format 
> > > function (I have IomegaWare running on my PC, this package adds 
> > some 
> > > functions to the Windows Explorer menu, of which also Iomega 
> > Format).
> > > I used the short format (30 seconds) procedure.
> > > 
> > > --> This format resulted in an error... 
> > > 
> > > 3/ Immediately after this Iomega Format I re-formatted the very 
> > same 
> > > disk again, this time simply with the standard Format Disk 
> > function 
> > > in Windows Explorer. I used the "long" format option. The 
format 
> > > capacity I selected was 96 MB (the only possible one).
> > > 
> > > Then I copied an EMAX-II HD image to that ZIP disk with EMXP.
> > > 
> > > --> This disk can be read and booted on my EMAX-II !
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Maybe step 2 can be skipped, I don't know because I don't have 
> any 
> > > non-EMAX zip disks left so I can't do another test anymore.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, whatever format tools you try, it is extremely 
important 
> > that 
> > > you are able to format the disk with a 96 MB capacity. So not 
> the 
> > > 95.7 MB which is the default capacity suggested by Windows 
> > Explorer...
> > > 
> > > So it seems possible to create an EMAX-II ZIP disk from scratch 
> > > without any need for a Mac computer or EMAX-II sampler !
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Have fun,
> > > 
> > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, the restore function always works.
> > > > Windows formatted ZIP disks are almost the same as Emax/MAC 
> > > formatted 
> > > > ZIP disks. But Emax/Mac machines format a few more sectors on 
> > the 
> > > > disk, and unfortunately Emax seems to check the existence of 
> > these 
> > > > additional sectors. If it can't find them, it gives an error 
> > > > message "Not an EMAX-II disk" or something like that.
> > > > 
> > > > I haven't found a way yet to format ZIP disks with those 
> > additonal 
> > > > sectors under Windows XP. I think it's possible with parallel 
> > > > versions and old Iomega drivers, but most of us use USB 
drives 
> > of 
> > > > course.
> > > > Anyway, that's the reason why there's no "format ZIP" 
function 
> > in 
> > > > EMXP...
> > > > 
> > > > So I hope you have access to a Mac computer somewhere ?
> > > > (or pre-formatted ZIP-disks for MAC, those exist too !)
> > > > 
> > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > 
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the extra info. When I was trying the ZIP 
method, 
> I 
> > > was 
> > > > > using a PC formatted (250MB) disk, though you warned this 
> > might 
> > > not 
> > > > > work. However, the "Restore" function in EMXP seemed to 
> > operate 
> > > > > correctly. But is the fact that Restore can be used to put 
> an 
> > > image 
> > > > > on the disk enough to guarantee that the disk is in an 
> > acceptable 
> > > > > format to the Emax...?
> > > > > 
> > > > > > That's strange !
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I have an EMAX-II rack without any internal HD.
> > > > > > The only two disk devices connected to this EMAX-II are:
> > > > > > - the internal floppy drive
> > > > > > - an external 100 MB ZIP drive with ID = 6 and terminator 
> = 
> > ON.
> > > > > > (the Boot SCSI ID in the Master Module is set to 4 
however)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > When I boot the EMAX-II without any floppy disk in the 
> > drive, 
> > > but 
> > > > > > with an EMAX-II formatted ZIP disk with OS in the ZIP 
> drive, 
> > it 
> > > > > boots 
> > > > > > from that ZIP disk !
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The EMAX-II always scans the complete SCSI chain if it 
> > doesn't 
> > > > find 
> > > > > > an OS on the floppy disk or on the "default SCSI device" 
> set 
> > by 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > SCSI ID you mentioned in the Master module. 
> > > > > > This Master setting does not mean that the OS can only be 
> > > loaded 
> > > > > from 
> > > > > > that device. The Master SCSI ID must be set if your EMAX-
> II 
> > has 
> > > > > > multiple HD's (or ZIP disks) each carrying its own OS. In 
> > that 
> > > > > case, 
> > > > > > you have to tell the EMAX-II which OS device is the 
> > preferred 
> > > > > > one/should be used. It indicates the first HD which will 
> be 
> > > > checked 
> > > > > > by the EMAX-II. If no OS resides on that HD, EMAX-II will 
> > start 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > SCSI chain search.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So normally you should not have any problem with booting 
> > from 
> > > an 
> > > > > > external ZIP drive. 
> > > > > > (on EMAX-I however, the ZIP drive MUST have SCSI ID = 0)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In emax@...m, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent 
utility.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read its OS 
> > from 
> > > the 
> > > > > > > floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to something 
> > else. 
> > > > The 
> > > > > > > manual says:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "This function allows you to select which SCSI drive 
> > > (0=floppy, 
> > > > 1-
> > > > > > > 7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for its 
> > operating 
> > > > > > > software. Note: Emax II will always boot from floppy if 
> a 
> > > > > formatted 
> > > > > > > floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID setting. I 
> > also 
> > > > > tried 
> > > > > > > booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set to 
ID 
> > 0, 
> > > and 
> > > > > > using 
> > > > > > > the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the 
> floppy 
> > > > > connector 
> > > > > > > to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease 
Insert 
> > > Disk". 
> > > > I 
> > > > > > > don't know whether that's because the drive doesn't 
spin 
> > up 
> > > in 
> > > > > > time, 
> > > > > > > or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's been 
> > > > hoodwinked.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my 
> > Kurzweil 
> > > to 
> > > > > get 
> > > > > > > this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender to 
> Route 
> > > > 66...;) 
> > > > > > But 
> > > > > > > once I get it working, I'll definitely be making more 
> use 
> > of 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > wondrous EMXP...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > specify otherwise --- In 
> > emax@...m, "esynthesist" 
> > > > > > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes there is.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP 
> v2.02.
> > > > > > > > (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new 
> > image" 
> > > > > menu). 
> > > > > > > After 
> > > > > > > > the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you 
can 
> > add 
> > > an 
> > > > > > Emax-
> > > > > > > II 
> > > > > > > > OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be 
> > > downloaded 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > > group or from the emulatorarchive website.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk 
> (connected 
> > to 
> > > > > your 
> > > > > > > PC).
> > > > > > > > Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" function)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > One important note though !
> > > > > > > > The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in 
> an "emax-
> > > > > > compatible" 
> > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > You don't need an EMAX to do that, but unfortunately 
> my 
> > > > > > experience 
> > > > > > > > shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a Windows 
> > > machine 
> > > > > does 
> > > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
> > > > > > > > I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. 
This 
> > > format 
> > > > > > > procedure 
> > > > > > > > seems to be compatible with Emax...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" 
> <b_j_glover@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been 
able 

> > to 
> > > > boot 
> > > > > > up - 
> > > > > > > > I've 
> > > > > > > > > tried creating boot floppies, but they've never 
> > worked, 
> > > and 
> > > > I 
> > > > > > > think 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB 
> SCSI 
> > Zip 
> > > > > > drive, 
> > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > was wondering if there might be any way to create a 
> > > > bootable 
> > > > > > > image on 
> > > > > > > > > that via a PC...?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Darn, foiled...(thanks for checking that...)

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@...> wrote:
>
> You're right... booting does not work the same when SCSI ID is set 
to 
> 0. 
> When SCSI ID is set to 0, the EMAX-II only wants to boot from 
floppy 
> disk and it does not check the SCSI chain.
> When SCSI ID is set to any other value, the EMAX-II will first try 
> the preferred boot SCSI ID and afterwards also try all other 6 IDs.
> In that case, if a bad formatted ZIP disk is present in the ZIP 
> drive, there's still a bit of activity on the ZIP drive every time 
> EMAX-II checks the ZIP drive.
> Note also that EMAX-II always shows the SCSI ID it is checking on 
its 
> display. If your display only shows "Insert Disk", this means that 
> the SCSI ID had been set to 0 and that EMAX-II is not checking the 
> SCSI chain.
> 
> Unfortunately I guess this is your problem. That's a pitty. 
> I have no idea if it is possible to disconnect the flat cable of 
your 
> floppy drive and put any other SCSI device on that port 
(internally, 
> e.g. an internal ZIP drive with ID set to 0). I guess not...
> 
> Anyway, good luck !
> 
> ///E-Synthesist
> 
> 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> >
> > ...an additional point of confusion I'm finding with this is 
that I 
> > can't see any indication of ZIP drive activity on boot, so I'm 
not 
> > sure that the Emax is looking at these disks that I'm carefully 
> > crafting for it. I don't know whether I should be expecting some 
of 
> > those snapping and shuffling noises I get when using it with a 
PC. 
> > When I tried connecting a CD drive and booting the Emax, there 
was 
> > no evidence of spin-up on that either.
> > 
> > Perhaps you could confirm whether you would expect more signs of 
> > life, even with a non-bootable Zip disk (I don't know how quiet 
the 
> > process should be, but this is silent), and whether your Emax II 
> > still scans the SCSI chain with the SCSI boot ID set to 0...?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nice work...;) I was fiddling around trying something similar 
> with 
> > a 
> > > free demo of MacDrive, but it got my PC into a horrible state -
 I 
> > > wouldn't recommend letting this software anywhere near your 
> > > computer. I'll have another crack at it with this approach. 
> > > 
> > > ) --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just FYI: I managed to format a ZIP disk on a Windows XP 
> machine 
> > > in 
> > > > such way that the disk is readable and bootable by an Emax.
> > > > 
> > > > I'll just explain exactly what I did:
> > > > 
> > > > 1/ I formatted the disk using a free demo-version of MacDisk 
> > (for 
> > > > WinXP). I used the HFS (not HFS+) format option.
> > > > 
> > > > --> This disk is not usable on an Emax yet, but at least the 
> > > original 
> > > > MS-DOS format structure is "killed" :-)
> > > > 
> > > > 2/ Then I re-formatted the very same disk using the 
IomegaWare 
> > > format 
> > > > function (I have IomegaWare running on my PC, this package 
adds 
> > > some 
> > > > functions to the Windows Explorer menu, of which also Iomega 
> > > Format).
> > > > I used the short format (30 seconds) procedure.
> > > > 
> > > > --> This format resulted in an error... 
> > > > 
> > > > 3/ Immediately after this Iomega Format I re-formatted the 
very 
> > > same 
> > > > disk again, this time simply with the standard Format Disk 
> > > function 
> > > > in Windows Explorer. I used the "long" format option. The 
> format 
> > > > capacity I selected was 96 MB (the only possible one).
> > > > 
> > > > Then I copied an EMAX-II HD image to that ZIP disk with EMXP.
> > > > 
> > > > --> This disk can be read and booted on my EMAX-II !
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe step 2 can be skipped, I don't know because I don't 
have 
> > any 
> > > > non-EMAX zip disks left so I can't do another test anymore.
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway, whatever format tools you try, it is extremely 
> important 
> > > that 
> > > > you are able to format the disk with a 96 MB capacity. So 
not 
> > the 
> > > > 95.7 MB which is the default capacity suggested by Windows 
> > > Explorer...
> > > > 
> > > > So it seems possible to create an EMAX-II ZIP disk from 
scratch 
> > > > without any need for a Mac computer or EMAX-II sampler !
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Have fun,
> > > > 
> > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > No, the restore function always works.
> > > > > Windows formatted ZIP disks are almost the same as 
Emax/MAC 
> > > > formatted 
> > > > > ZIP disks. But Emax/Mac machines format a few more sectors 
on 
> > > the 
> > > > > disk, and unfortunately Emax seems to check the existence 
of 
> > > these 
> > > > > additional sectors. If it can't find them, it gives an 
error 
> > > > > message "Not an EMAX-II disk" or something like that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I haven't found a way yet to format ZIP disks with those 
> > > additonal 
> > > > > sectors under Windows XP. I think it's possible with 
parallel 
> > > > > versions and old Iomega drivers, but most of us use USB 
> drives 
> > > of 
> > > > > course.
> > > > > Anyway, that's the reason why there's no "format ZIP" 
> function 
> > > in 
> > > > > EMXP...
> > > > > 
> > > > > So I hope you have access to a Mac computer somewhere ?
> > > > > (or pre-formatted ZIP-disks for MAC, those exist too !)
> > > > > 
> > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the extra info. When I was trying the ZIP 
> method, 
> > I 
> > > > was 
> > > > > > using a PC formatted (250MB) disk, though you warned 
this 
> > > might 
> > > > not 
> > > > > > work. However, the "Restore" function in EMXP seemed to 
> > > operate 
> > > > > > correctly. But is the fact that Restore can be used to 
put 
> > an 
> > > > image 
> > > > > > on the disk enough to guarantee that the disk is in an 
> > > acceptable 
> > > > > > format to the Emax...?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That's strange !
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I have an EMAX-II rack without any internal HD.
> > > > > > > The only two disk devices connected to this EMAX-II 
are:
> > > > > > > - the internal floppy drive
> > > > > > > - an external 100 MB ZIP drive with ID = 6 and 
terminator 
> > = 
> > > ON.
> > > > > > > (the Boot SCSI ID in the Master Module is set to 4 
> however)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > When I boot the EMAX-II without any floppy disk in the 
> > > drive, 
> > > > but 
> > > > > > > with an EMAX-II formatted ZIP disk with OS in the ZIP 
> > drive, 
> > > it 
> > > > > > boots 
> > > > > > > from that ZIP disk !
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The EMAX-II always scans the complete SCSI chain if it 
> > > doesn't 
> > > > > find 
> > > > > > > an OS on the floppy disk or on the "default SCSI 
device" 
> > set 
> > > by 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > SCSI ID you mentioned in the Master module. 
> > > > > > > This Master setting does not mean that the OS can only 
be 
> > > > loaded 
> > > > > > from 
> > > > > > > that device. The Master SCSI ID must be set if your 
EMAX-
> > II 
> > > has 
> > > > > > > multiple HD's (or ZIP disks) each carrying its own OS. 
In 
> > > that 
> > > > > > case, 
> > > > > > > you have to tell the EMAX-II which OS device is the 
> > > preferred 
> > > > > > > one/should be used. It indicates the first HD which 
will 
> > be 
> > > > > checked 
> > > > > > > by the EMAX-II. If no OS resides on that HD, EMAX-II 
will 
> > > start 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > SCSI chain search.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So normally you should not have any problem with 
booting 
> > > from 
> > > > an 
> > > > > > > external ZIP drive. 
> > > > > > > (on EMAX-I however, the ZIP drive MUST have SCSI ID = 
0)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" 
<b_j_glover@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent 
> utility.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read its 
OS 
> > > from 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > > floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to 
something 
> > > else. 
> > > > > The 
> > > > > > > > manual says:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "This function allows you to select which SCSI drive 
> > > > (0=floppy, 
> > > > > 1-
> > > > > > > > 7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for its 
> > > operating 
> > > > > > > > software. Note: Emax II will always boot from floppy 
if 
> > a 
> > > > > > formatted 
> > > > > > > > floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID 
setting. I 
> > > also 
> > > > > > tried 
> > > > > > > > booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set 
to 
> ID 
> > > 0, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > > using 
> > > > > > > > the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the 
> > floppy 
> > > > > > connector 
> > > > > > > > to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease 
> Insert 
> > > > Disk". 
> > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > don't know whether that's because the drive doesn't 
> spin 
> > > up 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > > time, 
> > > > > > > > or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's 
been 
> > > > > hoodwinked.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my 
> > > Kurzweil 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > get 
> > > > > > > > this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender to 
> > Route 
> > > > > 66...;) 
> > > > > > > But 
> > > > > > > > once I get it working, I'll definitely be making 
more 
> > use 
> > > of 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > wondrous EMXP...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > specify otherwise --- In 
> > > emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" 
> > > > > > > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes there is.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with EMXP 
> > v2.02.
> > > > > > > > > (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create new 
> > > image" 
> > > > > > menu). 
> > > > > > > > After 
> > > > > > > > > the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, you 
> can 
> > > add 
> > > > an 
> > > > > > > Emax-
> > > > > > > > II 
> > > > > > > > > OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can be 
> > > > downloaded 
> > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > > > group or from the emulatorarchive website.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk 
> > (connected 
> > > to 
> > > > > > your 
> > > > > > > > PC).
> > > > > > > > > Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" 
function)
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > One important note though !
> > > > > > > > > The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in 
> > an "emax-
> > > > > > > compatible" 
> > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > You don't need an EMAX to do that, but 
unfortunately 
> > my 
> > > > > > > experience 
> > > > > > > > > shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a 
Windows 
> > > > machine 
> > > > > > does 
> > > > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > > guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
> > > > > > > > > I always format them first on an old Mac Classic. 
> This 
> > > > format 
> > > > > > > > procedure 
> > > > > > > > > seems to be compatible with Emax...
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" 
> > <b_j_glover@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't been 
> able 
> > > to 
> > > > > boot 
> > > > > > > up - 
> > > > > > > > > I've 
> > > > > > > > > > tried creating boot floppies, but they've never 
> > > worked, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > think 
> > > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 100MB 
> > SCSI 
> > > Zip 
> > > > > > > drive, 
> > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > > was wondering if there might be any way to 
create a 

> > > > > bootable 
> > > > > > > > image on 
> > > > > > > > > > that via a PC...?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Postscript:

Finally managed to create a boot floppy that worked...I think I must 
have been using a dud batch of old disks...and having changed that 
tricky SCSI setting have spent most of the Easter bank holiday 
weekend using EMXP to create bootable Zip disks stuffed with the old 
Emax library disk images. Happy days. :)


>
> Darn, foiled...(thanks for checking that...)
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> >
> > You're right... booting does not work the same when SCSI ID is 
set 
> to 
> > 0. 
> > When SCSI ID is set to 0, the EMAX-II only wants to boot from 
> floppy 
> > disk and it does not check the SCSI chain.
> > When SCSI ID is set to any other value, the EMAX-II will first 
try 
> > the preferred boot SCSI ID and afterwards also try all other 6 
IDs.
> > In that case, if a bad formatted ZIP disk is present in the ZIP 
> > drive, there's still a bit of activity on the ZIP drive every 
time 
> > EMAX-II checks the ZIP drive.
> > Note also that EMAX-II always shows the SCSI ID it is checking 
on 
> its 
> > display. If your display only shows "Insert Disk", this means 
that 
> > the SCSI ID had been set to 0 and that EMAX-II is not checking 
the 
> > SCSI chain.
> > 
> > Unfortunately I guess this is your problem. That's a pitty. 
> > I have no idea if it is possible to disconnect the flat cable of 
> your 
> > floppy drive and put any other SCSI device on that port 
> (internally, 
> > e.g. an internal ZIP drive with ID set to 0). I guess not...
> > 
> > Anyway, good luck !
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ...an additional point of confusion I'm finding with this is 
> that I 
> > > can't see any indication of ZIP drive activity on boot, so I'm 
> not 
> > > sure that the Emax is looking at these disks that I'm 
carefully 
> > > crafting for it. I don't know whether I should be expecting 
some 
> of 
> > > those snapping and shuffling noises I get when using it with a 
> PC. 
> > > When I tried connecting a CD drive and booting the Emax, there 
> was 
> > > no evidence of spin-up on that either.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps you could confirm whether you would expect more signs 
of 
> > > life, even with a non-bootable Zip disk (I don't know how 
quiet 
> the 
> > > process should be, but this is silent), and whether your Emax 
II 
> > > still scans the SCSI chain with the SCSI boot ID set to 0...?
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nice work...;) I was fiddling around trying something 
similar 
> > with 
> > > a 
> > > > free demo of MacDrive, but it got my PC into a horrible 
state -
>  I 
> > > > wouldn't recommend letting this software anywhere near your 
> > > > computer. I'll have another crack at it with this approach. 
> > > > 
> > > > ) --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just FYI: I managed to format a ZIP disk on a Windows XP 
> > machine 
> > > > in 
> > > > > such way that the disk is readable and bootable by an Emax.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'll just explain exactly what I did:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1/ I formatted the disk using a free demo-version of 
MacDisk 
> > > (for 
> > > > > WinXP). I used the HFS (not HFS+) format option.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --> This disk is not usable on an Emax yet, but at least 
the 
> > > > original 
> > > > > MS-DOS format structure is "killed" :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2/ Then I re-formatted the very same disk using the 
> IomegaWare 
> > > > format 
> > > > > function (I have IomegaWare running on my PC, this package 
> adds 
> > > > some 
> > > > > functions to the Windows Explorer menu, of which also 
Iomega 
> > > > Format).
> > > > > I used the short format (30 seconds) procedure.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --> This format resulted in an error... 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3/ Immediately after this Iomega Format I re-formatted the 
> very 
> > > > same 
> > > > > disk again, this time simply with the standard Format Disk 
> > > > function 
> > > > > in Windows Explorer. I used the "long" format option. The 
> > format 
> > > > > capacity I selected was 96 MB (the only possible one).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then I copied an EMAX-II HD image to that ZIP disk with 
EMXP.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --> This disk can be read and booted on my EMAX-II !
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Maybe step 2 can be skipped, I don't know because I don't 
> have 
> > > any 
> > > > > non-EMAX zip disks left so I can't do another test anymore.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway, whatever format tools you try, it is extremely 
> > important 
> > > > that 
> > > > > you are able to format the disk with a 96 MB capacity. So 
> not 
> > > the 
> > > > > 95.7 MB which is the default capacity suggested by Windows 
> > > > Explorer...
> > > > > 
> > > > > So it seems possible to create an EMAX-II ZIP disk from 
> scratch 
> > > > > without any need for a Mac computer or EMAX-II sampler !
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Have fun,
> > > > > 
> > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, the restore function always works.
> > > > > > Windows formatted ZIP disks are almost the same as 
> Emax/MAC 
> > > > > formatted 
> > > > > > ZIP disks. But Emax/Mac machines format a few more 
sectors 
> on 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > disk, and unfortunately Emax seems to check the 
existence 
> of 
> > > > these 
> > > > > > additional sectors. If it can't find them, it gives an 
> error 
> > > > > > message "Not an EMAX-II disk" or something like that.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I haven't found a way yet to format ZIP disks with those 
> > > > additonal 
> > > > > > sectors under Windows XP. I think it's possible with 
> parallel 
> > > > > > versions and old Iomega drivers, but most of us use USB 
> > drives 
> > > > of 
> > > > > > course.
> > > > > > Anyway, that's the reason why there's no "format ZIP" 
> > function 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > EMXP...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So I hope you have access to a Mac computer somewhere ?
> > > > > > (or pre-formatted ZIP-disks for MAC, those exist too !)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" <b_j_glover@> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the extra info. When I was trying the ZIP 
> > method, 
> > > I 
> > > > > was 
> > > > > > > using a PC formatted (250MB) disk, though you warned 
> this 
> > > > might 
> > > > > not 
> > > > > > > work. However, the "Restore" function in EMXP seemed 
to 
> > > > operate 
> > > > > > > correctly. But is the fact that Restore can be used to 
> put 
> > > an 
> > > > > image 
> > > > > > > on the disk enough to guarantee that the disk is in an 
> > > > acceptable 
> > > > > > > format to the Emax...?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > That's strange !
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I have an EMAX-II rack without any internal HD.
> > > > > > > > The only two disk devices connected to this EMAX-II 
> are:
> > > > > > > > - the internal floppy drive
> > > > > > > > - an external 100 MB ZIP drive with ID = 6 and 
> terminator 
> > > = 
> > > > ON.
> > > > > > > > (the Boot SCSI ID in the Master Module is set to 4 
> > however)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > When I boot the EMAX-II without any floppy disk in 
the 
> > > > drive, 
> > > > > but 
> > > > > > > > with an EMAX-II formatted ZIP disk with OS in the 
ZIP 
> > > drive, 
> > > > it 
> > > > > > > boots 
> > > > > > > > from that ZIP disk !
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The EMAX-II always scans the complete SCSI chain if 
it 
> > > > doesn't 
> > > > > > find 
> > > > > > > > an OS on the floppy disk or on the "default SCSI 
> device" 
> > > set 
> > > > by 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > SCSI ID you mentioned in the Master module. 
> > > > > > > > This Master setting does not mean that the OS can 
only 
> be 
> > > > > loaded 
> > > > > > > from 
> > > > > > > > that device. The Master SCSI ID must be set if your 
> EMAX-
> > > II 
> > > > has 
> > > > > > > > multiple HD's (or ZIP disks) each carrying its own 
OS. 
> In 
> > > > that 
> > > > > > > case, 
> > > > > > > > you have to tell the EMAX-II which OS device is the 
> > > > preferred 
> > > > > > > > one/should be used. It indicates the first HD which 
> will 
> > > be 
> > > > > > checked 
> > > > > > > > by the EMAX-II. If no OS resides on that HD, EMAX-II 
> will 
> > > > start 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > SCSI chain search.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So normally you should not have any problem with 
> booting 
> > > > from 
> > > > > an 
> > > > > > > > external ZIP drive. 
> > > > > > > > (on EMAX-I however, the ZIP drive MUST have SCSI ID 
= 
> 0)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" 
> <b_j_glover@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply - that's an excellent 
> > utility.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately the Emax II seems to want to read 
its 
> OS 
> > > > from 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > floppy unless you change the SCSI Boot ID to 
> something 
> > > > else. 
> > > > > > The 
> > > > > > > > > manual says:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > "This function allows you to select which SCSI 
drive 
> > > > > (0=floppy, 
> > > > > > 1-
> > > > > > > > > 7=HD) Emax II will scan on initial power up for 
its 
> > > > operating 
> > > > > > > > > software. Note: Emax II will always boot from 
floppy 
> if 
> > > a 
> > > > > > > formatted 
> > > > > > > > > floppy disk resides in the drive on power up"
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > My external ZIP drive only allows the 5/6 ID 
> setting. I 
> > > > also 
> > > > > > > tried 
> > > > > > > > > booting up from a prepared internal SCSI drive set 
> to 
> > ID 
> > > > 0, 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > using 
> > > > > > > > > the trick of putting a jumper on pins 25/26 of the 
> > > floppy 
> > > > > > > connector 
> > > > > > > > > to avert the system check, but it hangs on "Pease 
> > Insert 
> > > > > Disk". 
> > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > don't know whether that's because the drive 
doesn't 
> > spin 
> > > > up 
> > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > time, 
> > > > > > > > > or whether the thing is canny enough to know it's 
> been 
> > > > > > hoodwinked.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Bleugh - after pulling apart my PC, my Emax and my 
> > > > Kurzweil 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > > get 
> > > > > > > > > this far, I think I'm going to have to surrender 
to 
> > > Route 
> > > > > > 66...;) 
> > > > > > > > But 
> > > > > > > > > once I get it working, I'll definitely be making 
> more 
> > > use 
> > > > of 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > wondrous EMXP...
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > specify otherwise --- In 
> > > > emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" 
> > > > > > > > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes there is.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > You can create an EMAX-II ZIP disk image with 
EMXP 
> > > v2.02.
> > > > > > > > > > (using the "manage Emax HD/CD images"->"create 
new 
> > > > image" 
> > > > > > > menu). 
> > > > > > > > > After 
> > > > > > > > > > the 96 MB image-file has been created by EMXP, 
you 
> > can 
> > > > add 
> > > > > an 
> > > > > > > > Emax-
> > > > > > > > > II 
> > > > > > > > > > OS to it (again with EMXP v2.02). OS files can 
be 
> > > > > downloaded 
> > > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > > > > group or from the emulatorarchive website.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Then you have to copy the image to a ZIP disk 
> > > (connected 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > > your 
> > > > > > > > > PC).
> > > > > > > > > > Again use EMXP for this :-) (via "restore" 
> function)
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > One important note though !
> > > > > > > > > > The ZIP disk must have been formatted first in 
> > > an "emax-
> > > > > > > > compatible" 
> > > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > > You don't need an EMAX to do that, but 
> unfortunately 
> > > my 
> > > > > > > > experience 
> > > > > > > > > > shows that simply formatting a ZIP disk on a 
> Windows 
> > > > > machine 
> > > > > > > does 
> > > > > > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > > > guarantee an EMAX-compatible ZIP disk.
> > > > > > > > > > I always format them first on an old Mac 
Classic. 
> > This 
> > > > > format 
> > > > > > > > > procedure 
> > > > > > > > > > seems to be compatible with Emax...
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "b_j_glover" 
> > > <b_j_glover@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi -
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > I've got an Emax II (2212) which I haven't 
been 
> > able 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > boot 
> > > > > > > > up - 
> > > > > > > > > > I've 
> > > > > > > > > > > tried creating boot floppies, but they've 
never 
> > > > worked, 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > think 
> > > > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > > > > drive might need replacing. But I've got a 
100MB 

> > > SCSI 
> > > > Zip 
> > > > > > > > drive, 
> > > > > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > > > > was wondering if there might be any way to 
> create a 
> > > > > > bootable 
> > > > > > > > > image on 
> > > > > > > > > > > that via a PC...?
> > > > > > > > > > >
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