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2008-05-05 by Chip
This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me love my Emax even more. I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage sequences in Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new hardware anymore. cheers! Chip
2008-05-09 by esynthesist
Hi Chip After moving to another house I'm online again :-) But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from scratch again, except for the machines themselves... So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between different samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was really using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to scratchpad restrictions). I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but not yet of the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take quite some time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU samplers. Can you clarify your request ? ///E-Synthesist --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@...> wrote: > > This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me love my
> Emax even more. > > I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: > > Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage sequences in > Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. > > If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new hardware > anymore. > > cheers! > > Chip >
2008-05-09 by Tristan Upton
Transferring sequences between EII, EIII and Emax is not so useful. It would be great to be able to convert Emax sequences to/from standard MIDI files. Then you could take sequences from a computer sequencer and load them into the Emax with precise timing. Playing in via MIDI is problematic given the less than stable timing most USB MIDI interfaces provide. Using the external clock input to drive the Emax sequencer should allow much tighter playback timing than is possible via MIDI. Are you able to share the documentation on the Emax sequencer format? There is virtually no documentation in Emax the manual on the timing resolution and what messages are supported by the sequencer. Thanks, Tristan esynthesist writes:
> Hi Chip > > After moving to another house I'm online again :-) > But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from scratch again, > except for the machines themselves... > So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. > Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. > > But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". > Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between different > samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? > That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was really > using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to scratchpad > restrictions). > I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but not yet of > the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take quite some > time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII > sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU samplers. > > Can you clarify your request ? > > ///E-Synthesist > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@...> wrote: >> >> This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me love > my >> Emax even more. >> >> I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: >> >> Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage sequences in >> Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. >> >> If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new hardware >> anymore. >> >> cheers! >> >> Chip >> > >
2008-05-10 by Chip
that's exactly what i mean tristan!!! the conversion from standard midi to emax would be a great tool. (we only need note on/off, velocity, mod/pitch wheel, midi channels and tempo information) OK it's a scratch seq, but it could be very very very useful for live performances. (like factory -well quantized- sequences) tnx for your answers! chip --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Tristan Upton" <tu@...> wrote: > > Transferring sequences between EII, EIII and Emax is not so useful. > > It would be great to be able to convert Emax sequences to/from standard MIDI > files. Then you could take sequences from a computer sequencer and load them > into the Emax with precise timing. Playing in via MIDI is problematic given > the less than stable timing most USB MIDI interfaces provide. Using the > external clock input to drive the Emax sequencer should allow much tighter > playback timing than is possible via MIDI. > > Are you able to share the documentation on the Emax sequencer format? There > is virtually no documentation in Emax the manual on the timing resolution > and what messages are supported by the sequencer. > > Thanks, > > Tristan > > esynthesist writes: > > > Hi Chip > > > > After moving to another house I'm online again :-) > > But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from scratch again, > > except for the machines themselves... > > So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. > > Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. > > > > But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". > > Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between different > > samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? > > That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was really > > using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to scratchpad > > restrictions). > > I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but not yet of > > the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take quite some > > time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII > > sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU samplers. > > > > Can you clarify your request ? > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > >> > >> This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me love > > my > >> Emax even more. > >> > >> I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: > >> > >> Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage sequences in > >> Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. > >> > >> If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new hardware
> >> anymore. > >> > >> cheers! > >> > >> Chip > >> > > > > >
2008-05-10 by gadgetfiddler
isn't it possible to route all of your midi hardware through a computer and then adjust timing offsets with software... isn't that a lot easier? i don't understand how copying sequences to an emax could resolve any issues, if timing is off and you trigger a sequence it would still be offtime. am i missing something? I don't know if you're refering to usb synths/samplers or computer usb, but if it's computer usb i'd suggest using your soundcard instead. i've never had any timing issues playing my emax along with other samplers via midi from sequencer software routed through an mpu401 compatible soundcard. any typical soundcard found in a trashed computer is suitable... and free. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@...> wrote: > > that's exactly what i mean tristan!!! > > the conversion from standard midi to emax would be a great tool. (we > only need note on/off, velocity, mod/pitch wheel, midi channels and > tempo information) > OK it's a scratch seq, but it could be very very very useful for live > performances. (like factory -well quantized- sequences) > > > tnx for your answers! > > chip > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Tristan Upton" <tu@> wrote: > > > > Transferring sequences between EII, EIII and Emax is not so useful. > > > > It would be great to be able to convert Emax sequences to/from > standard MIDI > > files. Then you could take sequences from a computer sequencer and > load them > > into the Emax with precise timing. Playing in via MIDI is > problematic given > > the less than stable timing most USB MIDI interfaces provide. Using > the > > external clock input to drive the Emax sequencer should allow much > tighter > > playback timing than is possible via MIDI. > > > > Are you able to share the documentation on the Emax sequencer > format? There > > is virtually no documentation in Emax the manual on the timing > resolution > > and what messages are supported by the sequencer. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tristan > > > > esynthesist writes: > > > > > Hi Chip > > > > > > After moving to another house I'm online again :-) > > > But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from scratch > again, > > > except for the machines themselves... > > > So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. > > > Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. > > > > > > But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". > > > Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between > different > > > samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? > > > That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was > really > > > using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to > scratchpad > > > restrictions). > > > I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but not > yet of > > > the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take quite > some > > > time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII > > > sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU > samplers. > > > > > > Can you clarify your request ? > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > >> > > >> This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me > love > > > my > > >> Emax even more. > > >> > > >> I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: > > >> > > >> Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage sequences
> in > > >> Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. > > >> > > >> If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new > hardware > > >> anymore. > > >> > > >> cheers! > > >> > > >> Chip > > >> > > > > > > > > >
2008-05-10 by Chip
The problem isn't real time sequencing from seq/pc to emax. When your're downloading or playing sequences from seq/pc all sounds good (I use mp401 port), but the problem comes when you record them to the emax sequencer, and play it from there (it's not play-timming problem, because the notes that sounds out-of-time are always in the same place. I've tried to record track by track, all track together, at slows tempo, at normal tempo, with the emax in slave, with no tempo reference, and even with the emax set at faster tempos than the sequence (for having more resolution in tpq). I'm going to record a sequence that I use in live performances to show you these timing problems (there are small but perceptive for the musician ear) chip. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "gadgetfiddler" <gadgetfiddler@...> wrote: > > isn't it possible to route all of your midi hardware through a > computer and then adjust timing offsets with software... isn't that a > lot easier? i don't understand how copying sequences to an emax could > resolve any issues, if timing is off and you trigger a sequence it > would still be offtime. am i missing something? > I don't know if you're refering to usb synths/samplers or computer > usb, but if it's computer usb i'd suggest using your soundcard > instead. i've never had any timing issues playing my emax along with > other samplers via midi from sequencer software routed through an > mpu401 compatible soundcard. any typical soundcard found in a trashed > computer is suitable... and free. > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > > that's exactly what i mean tristan!!! > > > > the conversion from standard midi to emax would be a great tool. > (we > > only need note on/off, velocity, mod/pitch wheel, midi channels and > > tempo information) > > OK it's a scratch seq, but it could be very very very useful for > live > > performances. (like factory -well quantized- sequences) > > > > > > tnx for your answers! > > > > chip > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Tristan Upton" <tu@> wrote: > > > > > > Transferring sequences between EII, EIII and Emax is not so > useful. > > > > > > It would be great to be able to convert Emax sequences to/from > > standard MIDI > > > files. Then you could take sequences from a computer sequencer > and > > load them > > > into the Emax with precise timing. Playing in via MIDI is > > problematic given > > > the less than stable timing most USB MIDI interfaces provide. > Using > > the > > > external clock input to drive the Emax sequencer should allow > much > > tighter > > > playback timing than is possible via MIDI. > > > > > > Are you able to share the documentation on the Emax sequencer > > format? There > > > is virtually no documentation in Emax the manual on the timing > > resolution > > > and what messages are supported by the sequencer. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tristan > > > > > > esynthesist writes: > > > > > > > Hi Chip > > > > > > > > After moving to another house I'm online again :-) > > > > But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from scratch > > again, > > > > except for the machines themselves... > > > > So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. > > > > Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. > > > > > > > > But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". > > > > Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between > > different > > > > samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? > > > > That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was > > really > > > > using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to > > scratchpad > > > > restrictions). > > > > I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but not
> > yet of > > > > the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take > quite > > some > > > > time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII > > > > sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU > > samplers. > > > > > > > > Can you clarify your request ? > > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me > > love > > > > my > > > >> Emax even more. > > > >> > > > >> I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: > > > >> > > > >> Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage > sequences > > in > > > >> Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. > > > >> > > > >> If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new > > hardware > > > >> anymore. > > > >> > > > >> cheers! > > > >> > > > >> Chip > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2008-05-10 by Lyn Oakey
One reason why you're having timing problems could be your host sequencers ppqn is too fast for the Emax to interpret accurately. I would imagine the Emax seq is running at 96 ppqn, as were most back then. Now a modern-day seq, like Cubase SX, will be running at something like 3840 ppqn. So, if any patterns are not hard-quantised, the Emax won't be able to capture the feel - no matter how you record. just a thought Lyn
----- Original Message ----- From: Chip To: emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [emax] Re: EMXP, best software EVER? The problem isn't real time sequencing from seq/pc to emax. When your're downloading or playing sequences from seq/pc all sounds good (I use mp401 port), but the problem comes when you record them to the emax sequencer, and play it from there (it's not play-timming problem, because the notes that sounds out-of-time are always in the same place. I've tried to record track by track, all track together, at slows tempo, at normal tempo, with the emax in slave, with no tempo reference, and even with the emax set at faster tempos than the sequence (for having more resolution in tpq). I'm going to record a sequence that I use in live performances to show you these timing problems (there are small but perceptive for the musician ear) chip. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "gadgetfiddler" <gadgetfiddler@...> wrote: > > isn't it possible to route all of your midi hardware through a > computer and then adjust timing offsets with software... isn't that a > lot easier? i don't understand how copying sequences to an emax could > resolve any issues, if timing is off and you trigger a sequence it > would still be offtime. am i missing something? > I don't know if you're refering to usb synths/samplers or computer > usb, but if it's computer usb i'd suggest using your soundcard > instead. i've never had any timing issues playing my emax along with > other samplers via midi from sequencer software routed through an > mpu401 compatible soundcard. any typical soundcard found in a trashed > computer is suitable... and free. > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > > that's exactly what i mean tristan!!! > > > > the conversion from standard midi to emax would be a great tool. > (we > > only need note on/off, velocity, mod/pitch wheel, midi channels and > > tempo information) > > OK it's a scratch seq, but it could be very very very useful for > live > > performances. (like factory -well quantized- sequences) > > > > > > tnx for your answers! > > > > chip > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Tristan Upton" <tu@> wrote: > > > > > > Transferring sequences between EII, EIII and Emax is not so > useful. > > > > > > It would be great to be able to convert Emax sequences to/from > > standard MIDI > > > files. Then you could take sequences from a computer sequencer > and > > load them > > > into the Emax with precise timing. Playing in via MIDI is > > problematic given > > > the less than stable timing most USB MIDI interfaces provide. > Using > > the > > > external clock input to drive the Emax sequencer should allow > much > > tighter > > > playback timing than is possible via MIDI. > > > > > > Are you able to share the documentation on the Emax sequencer > > format? There > > > is virtually no documentation in Emax the manual on the timing > > resolution > > > and what messages are supported by the sequencer. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tristan > > > > > > esynthesist writes: > > > > > > > Hi Chip > > > > > > > > After moving to another house I'm online again :-) > > > > But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from scratch > > again, > > > > except for the machines themselves... > > > > So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. > > > > Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. > > > > > > > > But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". > > > > Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between > > different > > > > samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? > > > > That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was > > really > > > > using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to > > scratchpad > > > > restrictions). > > > > I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but not > > yet of > > > > the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take > quite > > some > > > > time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII > > > > sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU > > samplers. > > > > > > > > Can you clarify your request ? > > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me > > love > > > > my > > > >> Emax even more. > > > >> > > > >> I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: > > > >> > > > >> Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage > sequences > > in > > > >> Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. > > > >> > > > >> If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new > > hardware > > > >> anymore. > > > >> > > > >> cheers! > > > >> > > > >> Chip > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-05-10 by Chip
you're right, but al least in my situation, I play 1/16 note quantised sequences, so i don't need high resolution recordings. anyway, the master seq is not the problem, cause i always get the same results with any sequencer that I've used (alesis mmt8 -clock and midi configurations-, MC-505, cubase, or protools) c --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Lyn Oakey" <lynoakey@...> wrote: > > One reason why you're having timing problems could be your host sequencers ppqn > is too fast for the Emax to interpret accurately. > > I would imagine the Emax seq is running at 96 ppqn, as were most back then. > Now a modern-day seq, like Cubase SX, will be running at something like 3840 ppqn. > > So, if any patterns are not hard-quantised, the Emax won't be able to capture the feel - > no matter how you record. > > just a thought > > Lyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chip > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:14 PM > Subject: [emax] Re: EMXP, best software EVER? > > > The problem isn't real time sequencing from seq/pc to emax. When > your're downloading or playing sequences from seq/pc all sounds good > (I use mp401 port), but the problem comes when you record them to the > emax sequencer, and play it from there (it's not play-timming > problem, because the notes that sounds out-of-time are always in the > same place. I've tried to record track by track, all track together, > at slows tempo, at normal tempo, with the emax in slave, with no > tempo reference, and even with the emax set at faster tempos than the > sequence (for having more resolution in tpq). > > I'm going to record a sequence that I use in live performances to > show you these timing problems (there are small but perceptive for > the musician ear) > > chip. > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "gadgetfiddler" <gadgetfiddler@> > wrote: > > > > isn't it possible to route all of your midi hardware through a > > computer and then adjust timing offsets with software... isn't that > a > > lot easier? i don't understand how copying sequences to an emax > could > > resolve any issues, if timing is off and you trigger a sequence it > > would still be offtime. am i missing something? > > I don't know if you're refering to usb synths/samplers or computer > > usb, but if it's computer usb i'd suggest using your soundcard > > instead. i've never had any timing issues playing my emax along > with > > other samplers via midi from sequencer software routed through an > > mpu401 compatible soundcard. any typical soundcard found in a > trashed > > computer is suitable... and free. > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > > > > that's exactly what i mean tristan!!! > > > > > > the conversion from standard midi to emax would be a great tool. > > (we > > > only need note on/off, velocity, mod/pitch wheel, midi channels > and > > > tempo information) > > > OK it's a scratch seq, but it could be very very very useful for > > live > > > performances. (like factory -well quantized- sequences) > > > > > > > > > tnx for your answers! > > > > > > chip > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Tristan Upton" <tu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Transferring sequences between EII, EIII and Emax is not so > > useful. > > > > > > > > It would be great to be able to convert Emax sequences to/from > > > standard MIDI > > > > files. Then you could take sequences from a computer sequencer > > and > > > load them > > > > into the Emax with precise timing. Playing in via MIDI is > > > problematic given > > > > the less than stable timing most USB MIDI interfaces provide. > > Using > > > the > > > > external clock input to drive the Emax sequencer should allow > > much > > > tighter > > > > playback timing than is possible via MIDI. > > > > > > > > Are you able to share the documentation on the Emax sequencer > > > format? There > > > > is virtually no documentation in Emax the manual on the timing > > > resolution > > > > and what messages are supported by the sequencer. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Tristan > > > > > > > > esynthesist writes: > > > > > > > > > Hi Chip > > > > > > > > > > After moving to another house I'm online again :-) > > > > > But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from > scratch > > > again, > > > > > except for the machines themselves... > > > > > So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. > > > > > Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. > > > > > > > > > > But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". > > > > > Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between > > > different > > > > > samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? > > > > > That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was > > > really > > > > > using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to > > > scratchpad > > > > > restrictions). > > > > > I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but > not > > > yet of > > > > > the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take > > quite > > > some > > > > > time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII > > > > > sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU > > > samplers. > > > > > > > > > > Can you clarify your request ? > > > > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me > > > love > > > > > my > > > > >> Emax even more. > > > > >> > > > > >> I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: > > > > >> > > > > >> Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage > > sequences > > > in > > > > >> Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. > > > > >> > > > > >> If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new
> > > hardware > > > > >> anymore. > > > > >> > > > > >> cheers! > > > > >> > > > > >> Chip > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-05-11 by Tristan
Hi Chip, Yeah, I would find MIDI file <-> Emax sequence conversion useful for improving the timing on playback and syncing the Emax sequencer to external non-MIDI devices via the external clock input. Slightly different applications but the same requirement! Regards, Tristan Saturday, May 10, 2008, 12:06:04 PM, you wrote: > that's exactly what i mean tristan!!! the conversion from standard midi to emax would be a great tool. (we only need note on/off, velocity, mod/pitch wheel, midi channels and tempo information) OK it's a scratch seq, but it could be very very very useful for live performances. (like factory -well quantized- sequences) tnx for your answers! chip --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Tristan Upton" <tu@...> wrote: > > Transferring sequences between EII, EIII and Emax is not so useful. > > It would be great to be able to convert Emax sequences to/from standard MIDI > files. Then you could take sequences from a computer sequencer and load them > into the Emax with precise timing. Playing in via MIDI is problematic given > the less than stable timing most USB MIDI interfaces provide. Using the > external clock input to drive the Emax sequencer should allow much tighter > playback timing than is possible via MIDI. > > Are you able to share the documentation on the Emax sequencer format? There > is virtually no documentation in Emax the manual on the timing resolution > and what messages are supported by the sequencer. > > Thanks, > > Tristan > > esynthesist writes: > > > Hi Chip > > > > After moving to another house I'm online again :-) > > But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from scratch again, > > except for the machines themselves... > > So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. > > Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. > > > > But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". > > Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between different > > samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? > > That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was really > > using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to scratchpad > > restrictions). > > I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but not yet of > > the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take quite some > > time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII > > sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU samplers. > > > > Can you clarify your request ? > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > >> > >> This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me love > > my > >> Emax even more. > >> > >> I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: > >> > >> Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage sequences in > >> Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. > >> > >> If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new hardware > >> anymore. > >> > >> cheers! > >> > >> Chip > >> > > > > > -- Best regards, Tristan mailto:tu@...
2008-05-11 by Tristan
Hi Lyn, I suspect the Emax sequencer may actually only be 24 ppqn, the same as MIDI clock. That is fine if everything is tightly on the beat, but one clock of error puts your events off by ~21mS at 120 BPM. You might get away with that for strings but for drums etc its way off. Its a real shame Emu never included a quantise feature. Regards, Tristan Saturday, May 10, 2008, 9:50:11 PM, you wrote: > One reason why you're having timing problems could be your host sequencers ppqn is too fast for the Emax to interpret accurately. I would imagine the Emax seq is running at 96 ppqn, as were most back then. Now a modern-day seq, like Cubase SX, will be running at something like 3840 ppqn. So, if any patterns are not hard-quantised, the Emax won't be able to capture the feel - no matter how you record. just a thought Lyn
----- Original Message ----- From: Chip To: emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [emax] Re: EMXP, best software EVER? The problem isn't real time sequencing from seq/pc to emax. When your're downloading or playing sequences from seq/pc all sounds good (I use mp401 port), but the problem comes when you record them to the emax sequencer, and play it from there (it's not play-timming problem, because the notes that sounds out-of-time are always in the same place. I've tried to record track by track, all track together, at slows tempo, at normal tempo, with the emax in slave, with no tempo reference, and even with the emax set at faster tempos than the sequence (for having more resolution in tpq). I'm going to record a sequence that I use in live performances to show you these timing problems (there are small but perceptive for the musician ear) chip. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "gadgetfiddler" <gadgetfiddler@...> wrote: > > isn't it possible to route all of your midi hardware through a > computer and then adjust timing offsets with software... isn't that a > lot easier? i don't understand how copying sequences to an emax could > resolve any issues, if timing is off and you trigger a sequence it > would still be offtime. am i missing something? > I don't know if you're refering to usb synths/samplers or computer > usb, but if it's computer usb i'd suggest using your soundcard > instead. i've never had any timing issues playing my emax along with > other samplers via midi from sequencer software routed through an > mpu401 compatible soundcard. any typical soundcard found in a trashed > computer is suitable... and free. > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > > that's exactly what i mean tristan!!! > > > > the conversion from standard midi to emax would be a great tool. > (we > > only need note on/off, velocity, mod/pitch wheel, midi channels and > > tempo information) > > OK it's a scratch seq, but it could be very very very useful for > live > > performances. (like factory -well quantized- sequences) > > > > > > tnx for your answers! > > > > chip > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Tristan Upton" <tu@> wrote: > > > > > > Transferring sequences between EII, EIII and Emax is not so > useful. > > > > > > It would be great to be able to convert Emax sequences to/from > > standard MIDI > > > files. Then you could take sequences from a computer sequencer > and > > load them > > > into the Emax with precise timing. Playing in via MIDI is > > problematic given > > > the less than stable timing most USB MIDI interfaces provide. > Using > > the > > > external clock input to drive the Emax sequencer should allow > much > > tighter > > > playback timing than is possible via MIDI. > > > > > > Are you able to share the documentation on the Emax sequencer > > format? There > > > is virtually no documentation in Emax the manual on the timing > > resolution > > > and what messages are supported by the sequencer. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tristan > > > > > > esynthesist writes: > > > > > > > Hi Chip > > > > > > > > After moving to another house I'm online again :-) > > > > But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from scratch > > again, > > > > except for the machines themselves... > > > > So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. > > > > Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. > > > > > > > > But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". > > > > Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between > > different > > > > samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? > > > > That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was > > really > > > > using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to > > scratchpad > > > > restrictions). > > > > I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but not > > yet of > > > > the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take > quite > > some > > > > time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII > > > > sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU > > samplers. > > > > > > > > Can you clarify your request ? > > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me > > love > > > > my > > > >> Emax even more. > > > >> > > > >> I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: > > > >> > > > >> Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage > sequences > > in > > > >> Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. > > > >> > > > >> If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new > > hardware > > > >> anymore. > > > >> > > > >> cheers! > > > >> > > > >> Chip > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-05-11 by Lyn Oakey
OK, I've just had a test play from the PC using Cubase VST (SX does not support Midi Clock In, VST does) With Cubase acting as both Master and Slave I didn't hear any sequence timing errors. Using the basic Rap Drums preset, I sent a couple of drum sequences with 16t hats and a couple of 32'nd snare fills at 96 and 130 bpm. I also made sure the notelengths were quantised so as not to overlap into one another. Could this have possibly contributed to your timing issues ? I used a Steinberg Midex 8 midi interface and the Emax is HD Plus with SCSI. Being one of the later ones, it may have been improved in this area, who knows ? regards Lyn
----- Original Message ----- From: Tristan To: Lyn Oakey Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: Re[2]: [emax] Re: EMXP, best software EVER? Hi Lyn, I suspect the Emax sequencer may actually only be 24 ppqn, the same as MIDI clock. That is fine if everything is tightly on the beat, but one clock of error puts your events off by ~21mS at 120 BPM. You might get away with that for strings but for drums etc its way off. Its a real shame Emu never included a quantise feature. Regards, Tristan Saturday, May 10, 2008, 9:50:11 PM, you wrote: > One reason why you're having timing problems could be your host sequencers ppqn is too fast for the Emax to interpret accurately. I would imagine the Emax seq is running at 96 ppqn, as were most back then. Now a modern-day seq, like Cubase SX, will be running at something like 3840 ppqn. So, if any patterns are not hard-quantised, the Emax won't be able to capture the feel - no matter how you record. just a thought Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip To: emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [emax] Re: EMXP, best software EVER? The problem isn't real time sequencing from seq/pc to emax. When your're downloading or playing sequences from seq/pc all sounds good (I use mp401 port), but the problem comes when you record them to the emax sequencer, and play it from there (it's not play-timming problem, because the notes that sounds out-of-time are always in the same place. I've tried to record track by track, all track together, at slows tempo, at normal tempo, with the emax in slave, with no tempo reference, and even with the emax set at faster tempos than the sequence (for having more resolution in tpq). I'm going to record a sequence that I use in live performances to show you these timing problems (there are small but perceptive for the musician ear) chip. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "gadgetfiddler" <gadgetfiddler@...> wrote: > > isn't it possible to route all of your midi hardware through a > computer and then adjust timing offsets with software... isn't that a > lot easier? i don't understand how copying sequences to an emax could > resolve any issues, if timing is off and you trigger a sequence it > would still be offtime. am i missing something? > I don't know if you're refering to usb synths/samplers or computer > usb, but if it's computer usb i'd suggest using your soundcard > instead. i've never had any timing issues playing my emax along with > other samplers via midi from sequencer software routed through an > mpu401 compatible soundcard. any typical soundcard found in a trashed > computer is suitable... and free. > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > > that's exactly what i mean tristan!!! > > > > the conversion from standard midi to emax would be a great tool. > (we > > only need note on/off, velocity, mod/pitch wheel, midi channels and > > tempo information) > > OK it's a scratch seq, but it could be very very very useful for > live > > performances. (like factory -well quantized- sequences) > > > > > > tnx for your answers! > > > > chip > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Tristan Upton" <tu@> wrote: > > > > > > Transferring sequences between EII, EIII and Emax is not so > useful. > > > > > > It would be great to be able to convert Emax sequences to/from > > standard MIDI > > > files. Then you could take sequences from a computer sequencer > and > > load them > > > into the Emax with precise timing. Playing in via MIDI is > > problematic given > > > the less than stable timing most USB MIDI interfaces provide. > Using > > the > > > external clock input to drive the Emax sequencer should allow > much > > tighter > > > playback timing than is possible via MIDI. > > > > > > Are you able to share the documentation on the Emax sequencer > > format? There > > > is virtually no documentation in Emax the manual on the timing > > resolution > > > and what messages are supported by the sequencer. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tristan > > > > > > esynthesist writes: > > > > > > > Hi Chip > > > > > > > > After moving to another house I'm online again :-) > > > > But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from scratch > > again, > > > > except for the machines themselves... > > > > So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. > > > > Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. > > > > > > > > But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". > > > > Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between > > different > > > > samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? > > > > That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was > > really > > > > using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to > > scratchpad > > > > restrictions). > > > > I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but not > > yet of > > > > the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take > quite > > some > > > > time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII > > > > sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU > > samplers. > > > > > > > > Can you clarify your request ? > > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me > > love > > > > my > > > >> Emax even more. > > > >> > > > >> I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: > > > >> > > > >> Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage > sequences > > in > > > >> Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. > > > >> > > > >> If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new > > hardware > > > >> anymore. > > > >> > > > >> cheers! > > > >> > > > >> Chip > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-05-11 by Chip
can you upload an audio file of the recorded sequence played from the emax? (by the way, for the sequence recordings I'm using an original emax HD model 1010, upgraded to SE too (board PC333 rev C). I'm going to try the SE model 1000 now (board 237 rev 2 C), to see if there are some difference. I should try the cubase vst, but i can't find old versions of cubase. chip! --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Lyn Oakey" <lynoakey@...> wrote: > > OK, I've just had a test play from the PC using Cubase VST > (SX does not support Midi Clock In, VST does) > With Cubase acting as both Master and Slave I didn't hear any sequence timing errors. > > Using the basic Rap Drums preset, I sent a couple of drum sequences with 16t hats > and a couple of 32'nd snare fills at 96 and 130 bpm. > I also made sure the notelengths were quantised so as not to overlap into one another. > Could this have possibly contributed to your timing issues ? > > I used a Steinberg Midex 8 midi interface and the Emax is HD Plus with SCSI. > Being one of the later ones, it may have been improved in this area, who knows ? > > regards > Lyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tristan > To: Lyn Oakey > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:24 AM > Subject: Re[2]: [emax] Re: EMXP, best software EVER? > > > Hi Lyn, > > I suspect the Emax sequencer may actually only be 24 ppqn, the same as > MIDI clock. That is fine if everything is tightly on the beat, but one > clock of error puts your events off by ~21mS at 120 BPM. You might get > away with that for strings but for drums etc its way off. Its a real > shame Emu never included a quantise feature. > > Regards, > > Tristan > > Saturday, May 10, 2008, 9:50:11 PM, you wrote: > > > > One reason why you're having timing problems could be your host sequencers ppqn > is too fast for the Emax to interpret accurately. > > I would imagine the Emax seq is running at 96 ppqn, as were most back then. > Now a modern-day seq, like Cubase SX, will be running at something like 3840 ppqn. > > So, if any patterns are not hard-quantised, the Emax won't be able to capture the feel - > no matter how you record. > > just a thought > > Lyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chip > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:14 PM > Subject: [emax] Re: EMXP, best software EVER? > > The problem isn't real time sequencing from seq/pc to emax. When > your're downloading or playing sequences from seq/pc all sounds good > (I use mp401 port), but the problem comes when you record them to the > emax sequencer, and play it from there (it's not play-timming > problem, because the notes that sounds out-of-time are always in the > same place. I've tried to record track by track, all track together, > at slows tempo, at normal tempo, with the emax in slave, with no > tempo reference, and even with the emax set at faster tempos than the > sequence (for having more resolution in tpq). > > I'm going to record a sequence that I use in live performances to > show you these timing problems (there are small but perceptive for > the musician ear) > > chip. > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "gadgetfiddler" <gadgetfiddler@> > wrote: > > > > isn't it possible to route all of your midi hardware through a > > computer and then adjust timing offsets with software... isn't that > a > > lot easier? i don't understand how copying sequences to an emax > could > > resolve any issues, if timing is off and you trigger a sequence it > > would still be offtime. am i missing something? > > I don't know if you're refering to usb synths/samplers or computer > > usb, but if it's computer usb i'd suggest using your soundcard > > instead. i've never had any timing issues playing my emax along > with > > other samplers via midi from sequencer software routed through an > > mpu401 compatible soundcard. any typical soundcard found in a > trashed > > computer is suitable... and free. > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > > > > that's exactly what i mean tristan!!! > > > > > > the conversion from standard midi to emax would be a great tool. > > (we > > > only need note on/off, velocity, mod/pitch wheel, midi channels > and > > > tempo information) > > > OK it's a scratch seq, but it could be very very very useful for > > live > > > performances. (like factory -well quantized- sequences) > > > > > > > > > tnx for your answers! > > > > > > chip > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Tristan Upton" <tu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Transferring sequences between EII, EIII and Emax is not so > > useful. > > > > > > > > It would be great to be able to convert Emax sequences to/from > > > standard MIDI > > > > files. Then you could take sequences from a computer sequencer > > and > > > load them > > > > into the Emax with precise timing. Playing in via MIDI is > > > problematic given > > > > the less than stable timing most USB MIDI interfaces provide. > > Using > > > the > > > > external clock input to drive the Emax sequencer should allow > > much > > > tighter > > > > playback timing than is possible via MIDI. > > > > > > > > Are you able to share the documentation on the Emax sequencer > > > format? There > > > > is virtually no documentation in Emax the manual on the timing > > > resolution > > > > and what messages are supported by the sequencer. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Tristan > > > > > > > > esynthesist writes: > > > > > > > > > Hi Chip > > > > > > > > > > After moving to another house I'm online again :-) > > > > > But my whole studio/lab is to be built completely from > scratch > > > again, > > > > > except for the machines themselves... > > > > > So I'm "out of Emu business" for at least another few weeks. > > > > > Anyway, thx for appreciating the EMXP tool. > > > > > > > > > > But what exactly do you mean by "managing sequences". > > > > > Do you want EMXP to be able to convert sequences between > > > different > > > > > samplers ? E.g. translating EMUII sequences to EMAX ? > > > > > That was not on my priority list because I thought no one was > > > really > > > > > using the builtin sequencers of these Emu machines (due to > > > scratchpad > > > > > restrictions). > > > > > I already have the specs of the EMAX/EMAXII sequences, but > not > > > yet of > > > > > the other samplers (EIII, EII). So that feature would take > > quite > > > some > > > > > time... Especially with the EIII sequences, because the EIII > > > > > sequencer is much more advanced than the other vintage EMU > > > samplers. > > > > > > > > > > Can you clarify your request ? > > > > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <xtr909x@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> This post is only to be thankful of EMXP. This soft makes me > > > love > > > > > my > > > > >> Emax even more. > > > > >> > > > > >> I only have 1 question/suggestion for E-Synthesist: > > > > >> > > > > >> Would be possible to add to empx the ability of manage > > sequences > > > in > > > > >> Emax banks?, and/or make a conversion to midi?. > > > > >> > > > > >> If some day EMPX can do that, I never going to buy any new
> > > hardware > > > > >> anymore. > > > > >> > > > > >> cheers! > > > > >> > > > > >> Chip > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >