Emax

Hi Guys,

I've been a lurker on here for quite a while; I've owned an Emax II for a
few years now; but, due to moving country shortly after buying it, I didn't
have access to it.

Now that's I've managed to ship it over to my new home, I've started to use
it again and I'm loving it.

I need some advice though.  I've been trying to use the loop function to
create and infinte sustain on a sample and no matter how many hours I spent
adjusting the loop start and end points I still get a bad loop. Each time
the loops starts it pops, I thought that this was because the section of the
waveform wasn't looped correctly; but, as I've said I have adjusted it many
times to try to find the perfect loop point.

Anyone have any advice on this?

Cheers
Toby


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Hi,

I have an Emax 1 that I use a little too little these days.

It is tricky finding loop points. Especially when using intricate waveforms.
I found the best way is to print out a chart, where you print out
the khz for every note, and their relation to samples, so you know exactly how many cycles you use per note and octave. That way you can create very very very short samples with sometimes only one cycle and perfect loops, obviously works best with simple waveforms.

Unfortunately I have lost my chart and haven't sampled for a while, but I am sure you can google all relevant information (that's what I did) and possibly share it with us?

hope that helps,
Peter




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From: William Tobias James Chandler <mister2b@...>
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 14 January, 2010 10:22:12
Subject: [emax] Infinite sustain.

  
Hi Guys,

I've been a lurker on here for quite a while; I've owned an Emax II for a
few years now; but, due to moving country shortly after buying it, I didn't
have access to it.

Now that's I've managed to ship it over to my new home, I've started to use
it again and I'm loving it.

I need some advice though. I've been trying to use the loop function to
create and infinte sustain on a sample and no matter how many hours I spent
adjusting the loop start and end points I still get a bad loop. Each time
the loops starts it pops, I thought that this was because the section of the
waveform wasn't looped correctly; but, as I've said I have adjusted it many
times to try to find the perfect loop point.

Anyone have any advice on this?

Cheers
Toby

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you need to either loop on zero crossings at zero there is no volume level so that when set to zero crossings there is no blipping the other methed is to find to max volume settings an loop them if you

look at the loop over a period of time you should see a continuation of the waveform 

or you can use a third method as used in the la synths or sq80 or m1 where you sample a plossive or attack portion of a sound then use single cycle waveforms for the sustained side of the sound as single cycle wave forms are just 1 loop of a waveform they act like normal oscilators repeat constanly at the same pitch

that way you get no clicks or pops

to add chouros to the sound use to voices and slightly detune 1 to the other then you will get the pumping sound that you get on analog synths due to there oscilator drift

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Tobias James Chandler 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:22 AM
  Subject: [emax] Infinite sustain.


    
  Hi Guys,

  I've been a lurker on here for quite a while; I've owned an Emax II for a
  few years now; but, due to moving country shortly after buying it, I didn't
  have access to it.

  Now that's I've managed to ship it over to my new home, I've started to use
  it again and I'm loving it.

  I need some advice though. I've been trying to use the loop function to
  create and infinte sustain on a sample and no matter how many hours I spent
  adjusting the loop start and end points I still get a bad loop. Each time
  the loops starts it pops, I thought that this was because the section of the
  waveform wasn't looped correctly; but, as I've said I have adjusted it many
  times to try to find the perfect loop point.

  Anyone have any advice on this?

  Cheers
  Toby

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Hi,

check out Bj\ufffdrn Bojahr's "endlesswave" freeware  
(http://www.bjoernbojahr.de)
The time you waste on finding the loop while working on the Emax directly  
will now be used to transfer the data through MIDI, but at least you can  
do something else in the meantime.

My favorite for this is the discontinued :-( commercial software "Zero-X  
EndlessLooper" (the brother of "Zero-X BeatCreator")
Luckily I bought a license in time. It's for PC btw.

cu
Malte Krug



Am 14.01.2010, 12:11 Uhr, schrieb jammie <jammie.emma@...>:

> you need to either loop on zero crossings at zero there is no volume  
> level so that when set to zero crossings there is no blipping the other  
> methed is to find to max volume settings an loop them if you
>
> look at the loop over a period of time you should see a continuation of  
> the waveform
>
> or you can use a third method as used in the la synths or sq80 or m1  
> where you sample a plossive or attack portion of a sound then use single  
> cycle waveforms for the sustained side of the sound as single cycle wave  
> forms are just 1 loop of a waveform they act like normal oscilators  
> repeat constanly at the same pitch
>
> that way you get no clicks or pops
>
> to add chouros to the sound use to voices and slightly detune 1 to the  
> other then you will get the pumping sound that you get on analog synths  
> due to there oscilator drift

Try and assign the sample so you can trigger it on very low /slow keys, it 
can sometimes help to find a good loop point.
  or / and use the crossfade function. # use the autofind looppoints. or 
use very short loop.
or Copy the sample, with your best loop, Cut out the portion before the 
loop sets in, reverse it the sample, now splice this one with the original, 
which you may have copied too to avoid destroying your original. set the 
loop start point as in the original and the end point at the end of the 
reversed, spliced portion,  now you have an alternate forward reverse loop, 
which sometimes is easier to loop.

But sometimes it is just impossible to make a Really good loop.

its very hard to loop good multi oscillator synths that have each oscillator at a different pitch as each oscillator is cycling at different speeds so you might get a perfect loop on 1 of the osciltos but the others will pop due to being looped half way between there cycle thats why its easier to sample the oscillators 1 at a time and then combine them in a patch with defferent pitches to get the same effect the rest of the programming is exactly the same as the analog synth patch you can use the same synth parameters on the emax as it is in the synth your trying to sample

you can sample this matrial but you need to have very long loops so that you can work out mathmatecally were all oscillators will merge to get the perfect loop but you need massive sample ram for this and thats a no no on the emax1 and the emax 2 is max 2mb sample so its impossible with that sampler to 

thats the only good thing about soft samplers with disk streaming as you can make as big a sample as you want to get the loop right 

what are trying to sample send it to me and ill see if i can loop it i just need 1 of the notes to see if it can be done 

zero x is not a very good looping tool i found that the crosfades are not very good 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Wisbech 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [emax] Infinite sustain.


    
  Try and assign the sample so you can trigger it on very low /slow keys, it 
  can sometimes help to find a good loop point.
  or / and use the crossfade function. # use the autofind looppoints. or 
  use very short loop.
  or Copy the sample, with your best loop, Cut out the portion before the 
  loop sets in, reverse it the sample, now splice this one with the original, 
  which you may have copied too to avoid destroying your original. set the 
  loop start point as in the original and the end point at the end of the 
  reversed, spliced portion, now you have an alternate forward reverse loop, 
  which sometimes is easier to loop.

  But sometimes it is just impossible to make a Really good loop. 



  


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At 14-01-2010 16:02, Jammie  wrote:

>its very hard to loop good multi oscillator synths that have each 
>oscillator at a different pitch as each oscillator is cycling at different 
>speeds so you might get a perfect loop on 1 of the osciltos but the others 
>will pop due to being looped half way between there cycle thats why its 
>easier to sample the oscillators 1 at a time and then combine them in a 
>patch with defferent pitches to get the same effect the rest of the 
>programming is exactly the same as the analog synth patch you can use the 
>same synth parameters on the emax as it is in the synth your trying to sample

Sure. Never thought of it like that through, but thats why  a complex sound 
often only sound good on the key you made the loop on ?- Now i don't have 
an working emax, but i remember that you could cheat a little and make a 
good loop, make a cross fade, and then move the loop to another place and 
make a crossfade there. ?

But you are right sometimes it's impossible to avoid click. - then you can 
only try and make it an effect or mask it in the music.

This thread has really helped me out!  Thanks to all of you guys.  The
crossfade loop really fixed my problems, ok, so it wasn't exactly the same
sound as the synth that I was sampling; but it was about 95% which was
enough to make me very happy.

Thanks again guys.

2010/1/14 Michael Wisbech <michael@...>

>
>
> At 14-01-2010 16:02, Jammie wrote:
>
> >its very hard to loop good multi oscillator synths that have each
> >oscillator at a different pitch as each oscillator is cycling at different
>
> >speeds so you might get a perfect loop on 1 of the osciltos but the others
>
> >will pop due to being looped half way between there cycle thats why its
> >easier to sample the oscillators 1 at a time and then combine them in a
> >patch with defferent pitches to get the same effect the rest of the
> >programming is exactly the same as the analog synth patch you can use the
> >same synth parameters on the emax as it is in the synth your trying to
> sample
>
> Sure. Never thought of it like that through, but thats why a complex sound
> often only sound good on the key you made the loop on ?- Now i don't have
> an working emax, but i remember that you could cheat a little and make a
> good loop, make a cross fade, and then move the loop to another place and
> make a crossfade there. ?
>
> But you are right sometimes it's impossible to avoid click. - then you can
> only try and make it an effect or mask it in the music.
>
>  
>


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hi.can you tell me how to cancel emax group please as i no longer have this keyboard

--- On Thu, 14/1/10, Michael Wisbech <michael@...> wrote:

From: Michael Wisbech <michael@...>
Subject: Re: [emax] Infinite sustain.
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 14 January, 2010, 18:00


  



At 14-01-2010 16:02, Jammie wrote:

>its very hard to loop good multi oscillator synths that have each 
>oscillator at a different pitch as each oscillator is cycling at different 
>speeds so you might get a perfect loop on 1 of the osciltos but the others 
>will pop due to being looped half way between there cycle thats why its 
>easier to sample the oscillators 1 at a time and then combine them in a 
>patch with defferent pitches to get the same effect the rest of the 
>programming is exactly the same as the analog synth patch you can use the 
>same synth parameters on the emax as it is in the synth your trying to sample

Sure. Never thought of it like that through, but thats why a complex sound 
often only sound good on the key you made the loop on ?- Now i don't have 
an working emax, but i remember that you could cheat a little and make a 
good loop, make a cross fade, and then move the loop to another place and 
make a crossfade there. ?

But you are right sometimes it's impossible to avoid click. - then you can 
only try and make it an effect or mask it in the music.









      

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At 21-01-2010 09:01, you wrote:

>
>
>hi.can you tell me how to cancel emax group please as i no longer have 
>this keyboard
>
>--- On Thu, 14/1/10, Michael Wisbech 
><<mailto:michael%40inoutflux.dk>michael@...> wrote:
>
>From: Michael Wisbech <<mailto:michael%40inoutflux.dk>michael@...>
>Subject: Re: [emax] Infinite sustain.
>To: <mailto:emax%40yahoogroups.com>emax@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Thursday, 14 January, 2010, 18:00
>
>Â
>
>At 14-01-2010 16:02, Jammie wrote:
>
> >its very hard to loop good multi oscillator synths that have each
> >oscillator at a different pitch as each oscillator is cycling at different
> >speeds so you might get a perfect loop on 1 of the osciltos but the others
> >will pop due to being looped half way between there cycle thats why its
> >easier to sample the oscillators 1 at a time and then combine them in a
> >patch with defferent pitches to get the same effect the rest of the
> >programming is exactly the same as the analog synth patch you can use the
> >same synth parameters on the emax as it is in the synth your trying to 
> sample
>
>Sure. Never thought of it like that through, but thats why a complex sound
>often only sound good on the key you made the loop on ?- Now i don't have
>an working emax, but i remember that you could cheat a little and make a
>good loop, make a cross fade, and then move the loop to another place and
>make a crossfade there. ?
>
>But you are right sometimes it's impossible to avoid click. - then you can
>only try and make it an effect or mask it in the music.
>
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