EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Nick Batzdorf wrote:
> - I've long felt that it's wrong for a license to forbid you from
> reselling the library. If a developer wants to charge a registration
> transfer fee for support and updates, fine, but you should be able to
> sell a disc you don't use anymore. You can sell a hardware instrument
> with its factory sounds, and I see no difference.

Actually I can see a huge difference here.
You may have created some content, i.e. using a sample CD allready. Let's
say that was a loop CD and you used a loop in some song. Even after selling
your license you could still use that particular loop.
If you plan to sell the CD license now you would actually have to cut out
the loop from your tune as you are not allowed to use it anymore.
With, say, a hardware synth things are totally different. If you created a
song with it you simply would've to record its output to audio before
selling it. In the end you wouldn't be able to modify that sound too much
anymore.

Things of course only get worse with softsynths reading sample libraries.
Let's say you got some AKAI CD and converted it to EXS. Now you may even
create some of your own patches using it as a source only. Plus, you may
have backupped some songs including EXS patches using the converted AKAI
sounds.
Nobody's gonna tell me he/she's gonna delete all their backups, sort out ALL
their patches just to make sure not a single sample of the (now "to be
transferred") used AKAI CD is going to remain on their harddrives/CDs.

So, to me in the case of a sample CD things are quite clear.

Still, all that doesn't relate too much to the current YellowTools issue.
The remarks of Christian Hellinger certainly don't hold any legal water in
front of any court - as long as indeed no samples are distributed with the
"supposed to be coming" EXS patches.
I think he was sucessful though. I doubt that after this thread anybody
would post some eventually created EXS patches anymore.

But in general I have to say, it's just completely stupid of YT to believe
nobody would use their samples in any other application but long with their
own demo instrument (I allready know a bunch of people doing just that). And
in case the DSL bandwith is finally here I will certainly do so as well. And
there's surely no existing law on earth that would keep me away from it. If
I would post some EXS patches is questionable though...

And to YT: In a knowledgable community such as this group you could as well
make yourself looking a bit, hm, dunno what to call it - in a harsh way I'd
say "moronic". I mean, c'mon, don't tell me you didn't expect such things to
happen, no? In that case jumping onto such a thread without any legally
backupped reasons doesn't make you look too friendly (and eventually it
doesn't make you look too much clever either).
You could as well have awaited the positive comments from this user group -
nobody on this group in general supports sample CD copying and there's a LOT
of positive comments about several (even highly expensive) sample libraries.
Don't you think it could've been some sort of good advertisement in case
everybody was just raving about your tryout samples - no matter if people
used them along your instrument or in some EXS patch?

Good night,
Sascha

Sascha