EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

On a fine day, 08-03-2003, Nick Mulder wrote:

>On Saturday, Mar 8, 2003, at 16:58 Europe/Amsterdam, Hendrik Jan
>Veenstra wrote:
>
>>  On a fine day, 07-03-2003, Nick Mulder wrote:
>>
>>  >Hi Paul, I own a full-blown Kurzweil K2500RS but use the EXS24 most of
>>  >the time, mainly because of its very tight timing.
>  > >
>  > >Which is -as we bozo's all know ofcourse=)- the carrier of the musical
>  > >emotion.
>>
>  > Very tight timing is the carrier of the musical emotion???  Wow, it's
>>  been long since I last heard such a ridulous statement...  Sorry for
>>  being so rude, but what you say here is just too bizarre.  Unless it
>>  was an attempt at humour of course.
>
>No, I was serious. This is an attemp at humour:
>
>"Dear Hendrik-Jan, now me and my fellowteachers at the Royal
>Conservatory at the Hague in the Netherlands are totally blown away by
>your bold statement and invite you hereby to come and teach us the REAL
>secret of musical expression, for centuries we have been thinking it
>was all about timing, dynamics, intonation and -general- phrasing. And
>a sampler that follows that timing more (sample)accurate than a midi
>hardware counterpart is therefor by us considered more musical..

Surely timing is part of what musical expression is all about.  But 
'timing' as in 'phrasing' is (imo) entirely different from 'timing' 
as in 'sample accurate software, synced to digital clocks', etc.
Stupid example: Ike & Tina Turner (or any other music that has 
'swing') depended on timing, sure, but I don't see what that has to 
do with sample-accuracy.

Moreover, you didn't say that timing was an integral part of music, 
with which I, and anyone else I presume, obviously would agree.  You 
said that timing is "the carrier of the musical emotion" -- note: THE 
carrier -- which I still find a ridiculous statement.  Now all of a 
sudden you talk about timing AND dynamics AND intonation AND... 
That's something completely different.

"Red is the true carrier of emotion in pictures."  "No that's 
nonsense."  "Oh, you mean that all those painters who used red and 
yellow and blue and green and orange and purple and brown and black 
and white didn't know what they were doing?"

See where this argument fails?

>Omega, please enlighten us.
>
>Humbled and ashamed,

I suppose you think that since you're teaching at the conservatory, 
you are entitled to belittle someone who disagrees with you?  Cool... 
and very mature as well.  If you disagree with me, fine, no problem 
of course, but then at least come up with a decent argument and not 
this flawed, quasi-authority based rhetorics.


-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com