EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

On Saturday, Mar 8, 2003, at 18:03 Europe/Amsterdam, Hendrik Jan 
Veenstra wrote:

> On a fine day, 08-03-2003, Nick Mulder wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, Mar 8, 2003, at 16:58 Europe/Amsterdam, Hendrik Jan
> >Veenstra wrote:
> >
> >>  On a fine day, 07-03-2003, Nick Mulder wrote:
> >>
> >>  >Hi Paul, I own a full-blown Kurzweil K2500RS but use the EXS24 
> most of
> >>  >the time, mainly because of its very tight timing.
> >  > >
> >  > >Which is -as we bozo's all know ofcourse=)- the carrier of the 
> musical
> >  > >emotion.
> >>
> >  > Very tight timing is the carrier of the musical emotion???  Wow, 
> it's
> >>  been long since I last heard such a ridulous statement...  Sorry 
> for
> >>  being so rude, but what you say here is just too bizarre.  Unless 
> it
> >>  was an attempt at humour of course.
> >
> >No, I was serious. This is an attemp at humour:
> >
> >"Dear Hendrik-Jan, now me and my fellowteachers at the Royal
> >Conservatory at the Hague in the Netherlands are totally blown away by
> >your bold statement and invite you hereby to come and teach us the 
> REAL
> >secret of musical expression, for centuries we have been thinking it
> >was all about timing, dynamics, intonation and -general- phrasing. And
> >a sampler that follows that timing more (sample)accurate than a midi
> >hardware counterpart is therefor by us considered more musical..
>
> Surely timing is part of what musical expression is all about.  But
> 'timing' as in 'phrasing' is (imo) entirely different from 'timing'
> as in 'sample accurate software, synced to digital clocks', etc.
> Stupid example: Ike & Tina Turner (or any other music that has
> 'swing') depended on timing, sure, but I don't see what that has to
> do with sample-accuracy.

I do.  And even more people do.

> Moreover, you didn't say that timing was an integral part of music,
> with which I, and anyone else I presume, obviously would agree.  You
> said that timing is "the carrier of the musical emotion" -- note: THE
> carrier -- which I still find a ridiculous statement. 

Ok, is noted. (says more about you then about music dude)

> Now all of a
> sudden you talk about timing AND dynamics AND intonation AND...
> That's something completely different.

Ok, here it is:

Sloppy timing ruins precision.

You can vibrate, phrase and scream all you want, if the timing isn't 
there, the tension is gone.

a Musician knows that.


> "Red is the true carrier of emotion in pictures."  "No that's
> nonsense."  "Oh, you mean that all those painters who used red and
> yellow and blue and green and orange and purple and brown and black
> and white didn't know what they were doing?"
>
> See where this argument fails?

Yes, clearly.

> >Omega, please enlighten us.
> >
> >Humbled and ashamed,
>
> I suppose you think that since you're teaching at the conservatory,
> you are entitled to belittle someone who disagrees with you? 

No, you're wrong again.

I suppose I can toy a bit with a person who starts a personal flame 
without actually knowing his stuff and tries to save his face.

> Cool...
> and very mature as well. 

Young at heart..

> If you disagree with me, fine, no problem
> of course, but then at least come up with a decent argument and not
> this flawed, quasi-authority based rhetorics.


If you don't understand it, that's cool (only five a year make it in my 
class).

But if you start flaming people who do understand, expect some reaction.

Ventje, je zit er gewoon falikant naast en bent te belazerd het toe te 
geven. Dat valt erg op hoor.

Leer eerst eens fatsoenlijk je oren te gebruiken tijdens het mixen -ik 
heb eea op je homepage gehoord nadat ik daar door anderen op gewezen 
ben bij wijze van komisch tijdsverdrijf- en ga dan heeel voorzichtig de 
autoriteit uithangen.

Dit zou ik letterlijk tegen een student zeggen omdat ik immers de 
plicht op me genomen heb jonge mensen te waarschuwen voor stomme fouten 
die hun latere carriere (zwaar) zou kunnen schaden..

En als je eigenlijk geen verstand hebt van de materie, wees dan niet zo 
stom je ego aan je kennis te hangen, dan pleeg je uiteindelijk een 
soort van karakterzelfmoord want moet je tegen beter weten in 
stupiditeiten blijven volhouden.

Ook dat druk ik studenten op het hart.

En de slimmen snappen dat. Want het zijn immers fouten die we allemaal 
tot op zekere hoogte maken.=)

Dag,

Nick (de toelatingsexamens starten weer in mei!!=)


(this was the last temptation)



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