EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Anyone know of a quick and dirty way to preview a bunch of wavs or aiffs on the mac. A free sound util that doesnt require double clicking every dang file (RSI - ouch) .

iTunes can load all the soundfiles on an entire (sample) cd, but it takes a while to recurse through all 600+ megs of a CD - and then you lose the entire directory structure.

hopefully this will be addressed in a revision to exs..

thanks,
-t


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Soundjam MP. Drag all the files to the Master Playlist and page through them
quickly. Very easy. You also see the title of which one is playing.

> From: "Todd Murtha" <tmurtha@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:43:03 -0400
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [exs] quick .wav/.aif preview utility for MAC?
> 
> Anyone know of a quick and dirty way to preview a bunch of wavs or aiffs on
> the mac. A free sound util that doesnt require double clicking every dang file
> (RSI - ouch) .
> 
> iTunes can load all the soundfiles on an entire (sample) cd, but it takes a
> while to recurse through all 600+ megs of a CD - and then you lose the entire
> directory structure.
> 
> hopefully this will be addressed in a revision to exs..
> 
> thanks,
> -t
> 
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errr.... Logic Audio !!

In the 'add audio file' dialog. if you click 'play' once, you can
audition through all the files in a folder just by advancing with the
'down arrow' key.

Dave Eager

Todd Murtha wrote:

> Anyone know of a quick and dirty way to preview a bunch of wavs or
> aiffs on the mac. A free sound util that doesnt require double
> clicking every dang file (RSI - ouch) .
>
> iTunes can load all the soundfiles on an entire (sample) cd, but it
> takes a while to recurse through all 600+ megs of a CD - and then you
> lose the entire directory structure.
>
> hopefully this will be addressed in a revision to exs..
>

I forgot to add, play mode remains on even while you navigate through
folders.

Dave Eager

David Eager wrote:

> errr.... Logic Audio !!
>
> In the 'add audio file' dialog. if you click 'play' once, you can
> audition through all the files in a folder just by advancing with the
> 'down arrow' key.
>
>
>
>

Some of you may already know about this, but for those who own laptops, but
want standard PCI slots, check out http://www.magma.com/

Members of NIN were travelling with PowerBooks, the smallest Magma expander
and ProTools during a tour (perhaps they are still using this setup... I
don't know).

It's a nice option for laptops.

Jer

Yes , they are well known among the Pro Tools crowd, it has 
been the only solution for a couple of years, they did alot of the 
music for  the "Survivor" tv show with this setup(Magma + 
Digi001, + Logic Audio Platinum) , but with processor speeds 
ramping upwards, host base apps more reliable, and firewire 
audio interfaces such as the MOTU 828 coming availabe, these 
PCI beasts might already be dinosaurs.


--- In exs-users@y..., "HELP@M..." <HELP@M...> wrote:
> Some of you may already know about this, but for those who 
own laptops, but
> want standard PCI slots, check out http://www.magma.com/
> 
> Members of NIN were travelling with PowerBooks, the 
smallest Magma expander
> and ProTools during a tour (perhaps they are still using this 
setup... I

> don't know).
> 
> It's a nice option for laptops.
> 
> Jer

> PCI beasts might already be dinosaurs.

Not when you consider that you could run a full-blown ProTools system (not
the DIGI, that is a watered-down system from the TDM hardware) from your
laptop, or any other specialized PCI card not available for FireWire and
PCMCIA. I think the option is still very viable despite the advances you
mentioned. It will be sometime before PCI goes the way of the "dinosaurs".
The 828 may be right for a lot of people (I have recommended it myself to
this list), but doesn't do what a TDM ProTools system does, a protocol even
Logic whole-heartedly supports. If you want external DSP so your computer
can work on other tasks and do more, you'll still need a PCI bay.

You get what you pay for.. 

TDM = dedicated DSP with no worries or hassles and let's you use your CPU for other tasks.

CPU = Costs savings.  Limited amount of resource for multi-track editing.  

The computer industry hasn't reached that threshold yet where we can comfortably say CPUs have outperformed DSP solutions in all areas.  While Pro-Tools is nice, SADIE or SONIC kick ass too!  Sadie has been used for countless Bilboard #1 hits.. I still think Pro-Tools sells itself easier in video/broadcast, where its parent company Avid is holding the market.  


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  these 
  PCI beasts might already be dinosaurs.





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Touché!

> From: "Mark Holloway" <Mark_L_Holloway@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:21:21 -0700
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] Re: PCI Expansion for Laptops
> 
> You get what you pay for..
> 
> TDM = dedicated DSP with no worries or hassles and let's you use your CPU for
> other tasks.
> 
> CPU = Costs savings.  Limited amount of resource for multi-track editing.
> 
> The computer industry hasn't reached that threshold yet where we can
> comfortably say CPUs have outperformed DSP solutions in all areas.  While
> Pro-Tools is nice, SADIE or SONIC kick ass too!  Sadie has been used for
> countless Bilboard #1 hits.. I still think Pro-Tools sells itself easier in
> video/broadcast, where its parent company Avid is holding the market.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> these 
> PCI beasts might already be dinosaurs.
> 
> 
> 
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Sadie, Sonic, ProTools, all just tools of choice, use what works 
best for you. Although both Sadie and Sonic aren't real multitrack 
solutions, especially when it comes down to availability of plug 
ins, and cost per track. Sonic has always been rediculously 
overpriced for what it offered, Sadie was a much more affordable 
tool, used mainly only for broadcast and mastering suites, and 
Sonic soon to be relegated to nothing more than a DVD 
authoriing system. I used a Sadie for 3 years, and loved it, very 
intuitive interface, but they never kept up with Digidesign on 
number of tracks, and I/O and compatibility of plug ins.

I completely disagree with your statement -
" CPU = Costs savings.  Limited amount of resource for 
multi-track editing" thats a rediculous statement, or at least one 
from someone that doesn't own a current computer, I am 
running a Dual Processor 533mhz Mac with 1 gig of ram, 
running Logic Platinum, and I can get over 80 tracks of audio, 
with more plug-ins than you can count, I record them into Logic 
as SDII's, transfer them over to a VST Firewire drive, and hand 
them to my mix guy with Pro Tools Mix Plus, he plugs in the 
FireWire drive, drags the files into Pro Tools, and wa 
laaaaaah........, except he has to start muting tracks immediately 
because of the 64 voice limit on Pro Tools.

All this to say, with Multi processor machines, and increasing 
chip speed and efficiency, and the soon to come Quad 
Processor Macs.............host based systems will be equally 
capable as their TDM counterparts, just wait for Logic 5.0.........


--- In exs-users@y..., "Mark Holloway" <Mark_L_Holloway@h...> 
wrote:
> You get what you pay for.. 
> 
> TDM = dedicated DSP with no worries or hassles and let's you 
use your CPU for other tasks.
> 
> CPU = Costs savings.  Limited amount of resource for 
multi-track editing.  
> 
> The computer industry hasn't reached that threshold yet where 
we can comfortably say CPUs have outperformed DSP solutions 
in all areas.  While Pro-Tools is nice, SADIE or SONIC kick ass 
too!  Sadie has been used for countless Bilboard #1 hits.. I still 
think Pro-Tools sells itself easier in video/broadcast, where its 
parent company Avid is holding the market.  

> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   these 
>   PCI beasts might already be dinosaurs.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Yes, but let's see what the year brings............:)
Cheers, 
Techno


--- In exs-users@y..., "HELP@M..." <HELP@M...> wrote:
> > PCI beasts might already be dinosaurs.
> 
> Not when you consider that you could run a full-blown ProTools 
system (not
> the DIGI, that is a watered-down system from the TDM 
hardware) from your
> laptop, or any other specialized PCI card not available for 
FireWire and
> PCMCIA. I think the option is still very viable despite the 
advances you
> mentioned. It will be sometime before PCI goes the way of the 
"dinosaurs".
> The 828 may be right for a lot of people (I have recommended 
it myself to
> this list), but doesn't do what a TDM ProTools system does, a 
protocol even
> Logic whole-heartedly supports. If you want external DSP so 
your computer
> can work on other tasks and do more, you'll still need a PCI 
bay.

Be nice Technodork. No one's debating the prowess of the current CPUs, but
there's no denying the fact that additional DSP outside your CPU is just
that--more DSP. You can't argue against the law of nature. Your system is
kick-ass I must admit, but you'd get even more power with external DSP.
Sure, many people will choose and internal solution, but you're not going to
witness a TDM slow-down anytime soon. You seem to want to argue for the sake
of arguing. This all started with the suggestion for the Magma PCI expander,
and if someone wants to go the ProTools route, who are you to belittle them?
You said yourself, that ProTools plays a roll in your studio relationship,
so why are you bashing PCI cards? Doesn't make sense... Show some respect to
your fellow list members. I'm glad you love your own setup. No need to bash
other peoples' preferences. -Jer

Now to make things even more complex the TC core is the equivelent of a 2Ghz
g4, 8 Mega verbs vs same on a Protools Mix for 1/10th the price,
weeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Amen!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: HELP@... 
  To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [exs] Re: PCI Expansion for Laptops


  Be nice Technodork. No one's debating the prowess of the current CPUs, but
  there's no denying the fact that additional DSP outside your CPU is just
  that--more DSP. You can't argue against the law of nature. Your system is
  kick-ass I must admit, but you'd get even more power with external DSP.
  Sure, many people will choose and internal solution, but you're not going to
  witness a TDM slow-down anytime soon. You seem to want to argue for the sake
  of arguing. This all started with the suggestion for the Magma PCI expander,
  and if someone wants to go the ProTools route, who are you to belittle them?
  You said yourself, that ProTools plays a roll in your studio relationship,
  so why are you bashing PCI cards? Doesn't make sense... Show some respect to
  your fellow list members. I'm glad you love your own setup. No need to bash
  other peoples' preferences. -Jer


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Not my intention to bash anyones elses setup, and for the 
record, it is only my personal opinion that as the speed and 
nubmer of processors increase in the Mac, that the PCI based 
systems will become more of a thing of the past, the processing 
has to come from somewhere though whether more processors 
inside or out.  

I just don't want people to doubt the power that they actually have, 
they just hear the hype that you have to have "TDM cards" for real 
horsepower, when it is really amazing, and sometimes 
completely on par with what the host processor is capable of in a 
correct configuratiion. Its like the whole Glyph Drive marketing 
hype, they are the greatest repackagers of existing Seagate 
Drives, housing them in a shiny case, and charging double the 
price, but really no more capable than any other Seagate SCSI 
drive, and in some cases no more capable than a 5200rpm VST 
FireWire drive(80 tracks +).

Sorry if I came across as bashing, not the intention.


--- In exs-users@y..., "Mark Holloway" <Mark_L_Holloway@h...> 
wrote:
> Amen!
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: HELP@M... 
>   To: exs-users@y... 
>   Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:49 PM
>   Subject: Re: [exs] Re: PCI Expansion for Laptops
> 
> 
>   Be nice Technodork. No one's debating the prowess of the 
current CPUs, but
>   there's no denying the fact that additional DSP outside your 
CPU is just
>   that--more DSP. You can't argue against the law of nature. 
Your system is
>   kick-ass I must admit, but you'd get even more power with 
external DSP.
>   Sure, many people will choose and internal solution, but 
you're not going to
>   witness a TDM slow-down anytime soon. You seem to want 
to argue for the sake
>   of arguing. This all started with the suggestion for the Magma 
PCI expander,
>   and if someone wants to go the ProTools route, who are you 
to belittle them?
>   You said yourself, that ProTools plays a roll in your studio 
relationship,
>   so why are you bashing PCI cards? Doesn't make sense... 
Show some respect to
>   your fellow list members. I'm glad you love your own setup. 
No need to bash
>   other peoples' preferences. -Jer
> 
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