EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Per wrote:
> Then click  learn midi, and use your midi-program-change-button on your
> controller.

I allready do so. But as Hendrik Jan allready wrote, this only allows for
+/-1 patch changes.

Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:
> Hmm... I feel tempted to say something about armchair programmers
> here :-)  The fact that the EXSP implements something doesn't
> necessarily say it's easy to implement the same feature in the EXS.

No, this is no "armchair programmers" opinion. I can't say anything more as
I signed an NDA once upon a time.
Apart from that, do you really think that Emagics superb programmers (which
they certainly are) won't be able to implement MIDI program changes into
their synths while almost every freebie developer is able to?

> Still: the
> fact that you can have 20000 instruments _might_ have been the reason
> prog-changes were never implemented.

And while it *might* have been the reason, it's no excuse. Just look at the
way other virtual instruments do it. You can save as much patches as you
like as Logic (or other host) presets (or through some internal preset menu)
while still being able to compile them into banks of 128 patches. It would
just have to be an addition (not a change) to what we allready have.

> Rather
> straightforward, but the disadvantage is that the Cable Switcher
> track then can't contain automation data for the EXS's, for which you
> thus need 2 additional tracks.

Exactly. And of course it's a waste of further inserted plugins - unless you
do some rerouting through busses and aux objects (better don't get me
started on that one...).

> I don't use midi files :-).  And if I ever have to, I use a simple
> midifile player that utilises the GM-bank from the quicktime synth.

I have to use MIDI files in some situations and even if I could use the
Windows equivalent or my QY70, it's just not the same as if they were
playing through proper patches (let alone the fact that MIDI file import is
one of the most screwed up things ever... since ages that is).

> Why not give us the _best_ solution from the onset?
[snippedisnip]

Well, I don't know what the "best" solution would be, but supporting
standard PrgChanges would at least follow some standard - and not
necessarily a bad one. At least IMO it's some sort of necessary addition.

Regards,
Sascha

On a fine day, 10-05-2004, Sascha Franck wrote:

>Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:
>>  Hmm... I feel tempted to say something about armchair programmers
>>  here :-)  The fact that the EXSP implements something doesn't
>>  necessarily say it's easy to implement the same feature in the EXS.
>
>No, this is no "armchair programmers" opinion. I can't say anything more as
>I signed an NDA once upon a time.

Well, I can't argue with that, can I? :)

>Apart from that, do you really think that Emagics superb programmers (which
>they certainly are) won't be able to implement MIDI program changes into
>their synths while almost every freebie developer is able to?

No, of course not: implementing program changes in itself should be a 
breeze.  However, in this case there's more to it: you'd need some 
sort of bank-edit window, bank-select mechanism, and then program 
changes per bank.  So it's not just "program changes".

>  > Still: the
>>  fact that you can have 20000 instruments _might_ have been the reason
>>  prog-changes were never implemented.
>
>And while it *might* have been the reason, it's no excuse. Just look at the
>way other virtual instruments do it.

OK, you got a point there...

>  > I don't use midi files :-).  And if I ever have to, I use a simple
>>  midifile player that utilises the GM-bank from the quicktime synth.
>
>I have to use MIDI files in some situations and even if I could use the
>Windows equivalent or my QY70, it's just not the same as if they were
>playing through proper patches (let alone the fact that MIDI file import is
>one of the most screwed up things ever... since ages that is).

Oh yes, *that's* a big one -- midifile import I mean.  I agree they 
totally screwed up on that one.

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