EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

hi gang,

i've just noticed that when i have streaming activated *all* my exs instruments stream, 
even ones which would usually load into ram.

am i missing something here?

cheers,

andy.

osx, logic 6.4.2

At 11:46 AM 6/10/04 +0000, you wrote: 
>
> hi gang,
>
> i've just noticed that when i have streaming activated *all* my exs
> instruments stream, 
> even ones which would usually load into ram.
>
> am i missing something here?


Yep - definitely all or nothing. 

Welcome to the wonderful world of EXS24 - any colour you want so long as it's
grey.

Mac Users should start a fund to get Rene of RGC audio a Mac so he can port SFZ
and what its goint to evolve into to the Mac.

Regards,
Murray

"sleazyjoeblob" <azyte@...> wrote:

>  > i've just noticed that when i have streaming activated *all* my exs
>>  instruments stream,
>>  even ones which would usually load into ram.
>>
>  > am i missing something here?

Well, you may be missing the reason for that (see below).

From: Murray McDowall <murraymc@...>

>Yep - definitely all or nothing.
>
>Welcome to the wonderful world of EXS24 - any colour you want so long as it's
>grey.

I don't think that's fair. EXS24 works extremely well, with 
substantially lower CPU than anything else on the Mac. If you really 
want to run one EXS from RAM, set up a RAM disk and copy the samples 
you want to run in RAM onto it. But the reason you use streaming is 
to use longer samples than can fit into RAM, so I can't see any 
earthly reason to want to do that.

I think that EXSs talking to each other is a good thing. It means 
that shared samples between multiple programs only get loaded once.

>Mac Users should start a fund to get Rene of RGC audio a Mac so he 
>can port SFZ
>and what its goint to evolve into to the Mac.

Or just run samples on a Windows machine and shorten your Logic 
loading time.  :)
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

>
> Nick Batzdorf wrote:


>
> From: Murray McDowall <murraymc@...>
>
> >Yep - definitely all or nothing.
> >
> >Welcome to the wonderful world of EXS24 - any colour you want so long as
> it's
> >grey.
>
> I don't think that's fair. EXS24 works extremely well, with 
> substantially lower CPU than anything else on the Mac. If you really 
> want to run one EXS from RAM, set up a RAM disk and copy the samples 
> you want to run in RAM onto it. But the reason you use streaming is 
> to use longer samples than can fit into RAM, so I can't see any 
> earthly reason to want to do that.



I happen to like grey ;-) 
Funny thing - what's left of my hair even turned that colour ...

Seriously though - EXS24 is very stable and I use it all the time in Logic PC.
However, if you compare it with some of its competitors,  the rate at which it
is being developed is glacial. The issues with the instrument editor - no drag
and drop etc - If EXS24 was a third party product its makers would have gone
out of business because of lack of response to customers wishes and problems.

>
> I think that EXSs talking to each other is a good thing. It means 
> that shared samples between multiple programs only get loaded once.
>
> >Mac Users should start a fund to get Rene of RGC audio a Mac so he 
> >can port SFZ
> >and what its goint to evolve into to the Mac.
>
> Or just run samples on a Windows machine and shorten your Logic 
> loading time.  :)



Sure - but then you have issues with PDC etc to contend with. 

The reason I mentioned SFZ - an extremely high quality soundfont player (kicks
the EXS24's ass convincingly on pitch shifting )  that is *FREE* is that you
can, on a per instrument basis, use Disk Streaming or several different RAM
loading modes. RGC has a version with more features -SFZ+-  which is pretty
cheap too and Rene intends to bring a sample based synth to market which
exploits the power of this samping engine. 

Rene is currently putting the finishing touches on his own instrument
definition spec - SFZ format -- and it has an extensive range of features. The
format is in the form of a text file so anyone with a text editor can define
instruments as the spec is published. An editor for building instruments is
coming too. Hopefully CDXtract and Translator will support this new open format
too and then we will have a very powerful and superb sounding sampling system
with access to lots of sampled material.

Will it come to the Mac? Maybe sometime. The problem to date: RGC is in
Argentina where there is inadequate support from Apple for Rene to supply and
support products for that platform. This is one of the problems with Apple -
they just don't have a worldwide presence - South Africa and many other
countries are out of the Apple loop. 

Regards,
Murray

At 02:33 AM 6/12/04 +1000, you wrote:

>Rene is currently putting the finishing touches on his own instrument
>definition spec - SFZ format -- and it has an extensive range of features. The
>Will it come to the Mac? Maybe sometime. The problem to date: RGC is in
>Argentina where there is inadequate support from Apple for Rene to supply and
>support products for that platform.

He's actually in Tierra Del Fuego. FAR FAR south.



Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

At 08:21 PM 6/11/04 -0500, you wrote: 
>
> At 02:33 AM 6/12/04 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Rene is currently putting the finishing touches on his own instrument
> >definition spec - SFZ format -- and it has an extensive range of features.
> The
> >Will it come to the Mac? Maybe sometime. The problem to date: RGC is in
> >Argentina where there is inadequate support from Apple for Rene to supply
> and
> >support products for that platform.
>
> He's actually in Tierra Del Fuego. FAR FAR south.


He said on his forum at KVR that buying one is no problem.  It is more that
supporting users with other machines means that he needs the support of Apple
and some local importers set up to provide support in his country. 

Regards,
Murray