EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I'm new to the group and was wondering if anyone has worked with the 
garritan orchestral strings and exs?

I'm specifically interested in mapping the up slides and down slides, 
which use mod wheel and key switching.

also anywhere i can get pdf file that explains features of the exs?

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I use GOS and EXS. There's no built-in keyswitching with the GOS 
programming, AFAIK, so you'll have to do it yourself.

As for a pdf, just read the part of your Logic plug-in manual that is 
devoted to EXS.

Ned

On 19-Apr-05, at 9:55 AM, angelo panetta wrote:

> I'm new to the group and was wondering if anyone has worked with the
>  garritan orchestral strings and exs?
>
>  I'm specifically interested in mapping the up slides and down slides,
>  which use mod wheel and key switching.
>
>  also anywhere i can get pdf file that explains features of the exs?
>



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--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Ned Bouhalassa <ned@n...> wrote:
> I use GOS and EXS. There's no built-in keyswitching with the GOS 
> programming, AFAIK, so you'll have to do it yourself.
> 
> As for a pdf, just read the part of your Logic plug-in manual that
is 
> devoted to EXS.
> 
> Ned
> 
> 
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>        Ned Bouhalassa
> ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
> n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

thanks ned.

I was afraid that the exs does not support key switching. I did
configure a work around with the mod wheel. I have the maestro logic
environment, which is great, but was done back in logic 5, when it was
still available for PC.

any recommendation on what you do instead of key switching?

panetta97 wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Ned Bouhalassa <ned@n...> wrote:
> 
>>I use GOS and EXS. There's no built-in keyswitching with the GOS 
>>programming, AFAIK, so you'll have to do it yourself.
>>
>>As for a pdf, just read the part of your Logic plug-in manual that
> 
> is 
> 
>>devoted to EXS.
>>
>>Ned
>>
>>
>>w w w . n e d f x . c o m
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>>       Ned Bouhalassa
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>>n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
> 
> 
> thanks ned.
> 
> I was afraid that the exs does not support key switching. I did
> configure a work around with the mod wheel. I have the maestro logic
> environment, which is great, but was done back in logic 5, when it was
> still available for PC.
> 
> any recommendation on what you do instead of key switching?

He said that there is no built-in keyswitching with GOS programming.

EXS and Logic do support keyswitching. (Presumably  you mean using notes 
to do the keyswitching). You can use keyswitches to trigger different 
groups in EXS or to control any switcheable parameters of plugins.

There is an example of this on the bass trombone EXS instrument and the 
Wah wah control environment, which are available from my site.


-- 
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- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

> 
> He said that there is no built-in keyswitching with GOS programming.
> 
> EXS and Logic do support keyswitching. (Presumably  you mean using
notes 
> to do the keyswitching). You can use keyswitches to trigger different 
> groups in EXS or to control any switcheable parameters of plugins.
> 
> There is an example of this on the bass trombone EXS instrument and the 
> Wah wah control environment, which are available from my site.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pete Thomas
> www.petethomas.co.uk
> - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

thanks Pete. I downloaded your tute. so keyswtiching is something done
in the environment not in the matrix routing?

angelo

Ned Bouhalassa wrote:

>  I use GOS and EXS. There's no built-in keyswitching with the GOS
>  programming, AFAIK, so you'll have to do it yourself.

From: "panetta97" <panetta@...>

>I was afraid that the exs does not support key switching. I did
>configure a work around with the mod wheel. I have the maestro logic
>environment, which is great, but was done back in logic 5, when it was
>still available for PC.
>
>any recommendation on what you do instead of key switching?

EXS certainly does support key switching. Ned is just saying that GOS 
doesn't use it.
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Here's what I need to do. 

3 sets of upbow samples assigned to the mod wheel. to be triggered
0-64;65-80;81-127
3 sets of down bows assigned to the mod wheel. to be triggered
0-64;65-80;81-127

than to be able to switch between them with a key switch.

I assume this can be done with zones and groups, but not sure how.

angelo

panetta97 wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>He said that there is no built-in keyswitching with GOS programming.
>>
>>EXS and Logic do support keyswitching. (Presumably  you mean using
> 
> notes 
> 
>>to do the keyswitching). You can use keyswitches to trigger different 
>>groups in EXS or to control any switcheable parameters of plugins.
>>
>>There is an example of this on the bass trombone EXS instrument and the 
>>Wah wah control environment, which are available from my site.
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Pete Thomas
>>www.petethomas.co.uk
>>- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments
> 
> 
> thanks Pete. I downloaded your tute. so keyswtiching is something done
> in the environment not in the matrix routing?

Keyswitching groups in EXS is done directly in the EXS editor. It's not 
completely obvious, you need to make sure you have "select by" enabled 
in the EXS editor View menu. Here you define which note activates which 
group.

The other keyswitching download I have is for activating a plugin 
bypass. This is done in the environment. It's easy to make a note on 
activate bypass on, but the subsequent note off deactivates it, which is 
not so useful.

I have set this up so that aone note activates the bypass, the note off 
does nothing and a different npote deactivates the bypass. Much more useful.

This is done by using buttons that transform note data to fader data.

-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

At 08:51 AM 04/20/2005, angelo wrote:
>Here's what I need to do.
>
>3 sets of upbow samples assigned to the mod wheel. to be triggered
>0-64;65-80;81-127
>3 sets of down bows assigned to the mod wheel. to be triggered
>0-64;65-80;81-127
>
>than to be able to switch between them with a key switch.
>
>I assume this can be done with zones and groups, but not sure how.
>
>angelo\

To my knowledge there's no way to combine modwheel crossfading and 
keyswitching in EXS. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I was involved 
in converting the entire GOS library to EXS last year and couldn't figure 
out a way to do that. The Expression patches make extensive use of the 
modwheel, and the Combi patches make extensive use of keyswitching, but not 
simultaneously.

thanks everyone for all your input, especially Pete Thomas. I was able
to figure it out.  you can assign mod wheel info and then use the
:"select by" in the group window to choose your keyswitching. so now
with THAT  function and the GOS environment for logic (available at
garritan site, as well as the whole library for exs
<http://www.garritan.com/GPO-LogicPage.html> I have now been able to
translate all of the GOS library to the exs and keep all it's original
settings. it's a beautiful world.

angelo

Hi folks,

Apple have put some new manuals online:
http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/

Check p21/22 of the "What's new.." manual for some EXS24 news.

Regards - Colin

Sean McCoy wrote:
> At 08:51 AM 04/20/2005, angelo wrote:
> 
>>Here's what I need to do.
>>
>>3 sets of upbow samples assigned to the mod wheel. to be triggered
>>0-64;65-80;81-127
>>3 sets of down bows assigned to the mod wheel. to be triggered
>>0-64;65-80;81-127
>>
>>than to be able to switch between them with a key switch.
>>
>>I assume this can be done with zones and groups, but not sure how.
>>
>>angelo\
> 
> 
> To my knowledge there's no way to combine modwheel crossfading and 
> keyswitching in EXS. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I was involved 
> in converting the entire GOS library to EXS last year and couldn't figure 
> out a way to do that. The Expression patches make extensive use of the 
> modwheel, and the Combi patches make extensive use of keyswitching, but not 
> simultaneously. 

Can't remember when it was added but you can definitely choose more than
one "select by" for groups. This way you can have select by control and
select by note so possible to have keyswitches and modwheel at the same
time.

-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

At 10:42 AM 04/22/2005, you wrote:
>Can't remember when it was added but you can definitely choose more than
>one "select by" for groups. This way you can have select by control and
>select by note so possible to have keyswitches and modwheel at the same
>time.

Thanks, Pete, good to know. I may have re-examine some of the GOS EXS 
instruments. As recently as February in discussions on the Northern Sounds 
Forum that included Gary and Garth, it was agreed that certain multi-layer 
Giga functions couldn't be duplicated in EXS. But I think those functions 
may have involved combining velocity switching with modwheel crossfading, 
and not keyswitching. I'll check it out.