EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hey LUG,

   You guys may know this already....

   I like to use features on the 
track's lower set of parameters, especially the track's delay 
definition. When you have a patch with a slow attack, like strings, 
you can set a negative delay there, and when it plays back, that will 
make it play ahead to make up for the slow attack. You don't have that 
feature with audio instruments, like the EXS24.

  Check this out: You can cable a "midi" instrument to that "audio" 
instrument, and then use the "midi" intrument in the arrange window, 
then you have all those definition parameters that a regular midi 
instrument has, including that track delay. You can make those slow 
attack strings play without having to process the track. I wonder if 
there's any downside to doing this. Anyone know?


this is kewl,
df

At 05:08 AM 2/07/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Hey LUG,
>
>   You guys may know this already....
>
>   I like to use features on the 
>track's lower set of parameters, especially the track's delay 
>definition. When you have a patch with a slow attack, like strings, 
>you can set a negative delay there, and when it plays back, that will 
>make it play ahead to make up for the slow attack. You don't have that 
>feature with audio instruments, like the EXS24.


The extended parameters -- including Delay -- do apply to audio instruments
in 4.7.2  I'm not sure how long this has been so. Delay is  the bottom line
of the parameters box for Audio Instruments and if you double click on the
left hand side of the parameters box you get the extended parameters.

What I miss is the range parameters ( eg C-1 -- G8) which I find very
useful. Sascha Franck pointed out that to me that you could use the method
you described to get them to work with an audio instrument (cabling from a
conventional midi track object to the audio instrument object). This is a
work around until midi features of AIs are brought up to par with
conventional midi instruments.

Regards,
Murray

--- In exs-users@y..., Murray McDowall <murraymc@m...> wrote:

> The extended parameters -- including Delay -- do apply to audio 
instruments
> in 4.7.2  I'm not sure how long this has been so. Delay is  the 
bottom line
> of the parameters box for Audio Instruments and if you double click 
on the
> left hand side of the parameters box you get the extended 
parameters.

   Nupe, not the same thing at all. This parameter which would be down 
with the "show inserts", "show eq", etc for it to work like I'm 
talking about. The delay is unique to each instrument and stays with 
it, you don't have to think about it anymore. I think you are talking 
about the top set of parameters(above the toolbox). I'm talking about 
below the toolbox, where the midi channel & drivers are.

df

At 06:20 AM 2/07/01 +0000, you wrote:
>--- In exs-users@y..., Murray McDowall <murraymc@m...> wrote:
>
>> The extended parameters -- including Delay -- do apply to audio 
>instruments
>> in 4.7.2  I'm not sure how long this has been so. Delay is  the 
>bottom line
>> of the parameters box for Audio Instruments and if you double click 
>on the
>> left hand side of the parameters box you get the extended 
>parameters.
>
>   Nupe, not the same thing at all. This parameter which would be down 
>with the "show inserts", "show eq", etc for it to work like I'm 
>talking about. The delay is unique to each instrument and stays with 
>it, you don't have to think about it anymore. I think you are talking 
>about the top set of parameters(above the toolbox). I'm talking about 
>below the toolbox, where the midi channel & drivers are.

OK -- it is not the same but if you edit the delay in the other box and
save it in an autoload/default file the parameter will be set anyway --
would this do? 

Regards,
Murray

--- In exs-users@y..., Murray McDowall <murraymc@m...> wrote:

> OK -- it is not the same but if you edit the delay in the other box 
and
> save it in an autoload/default file the parameter will be set anyway 

> would this do?  
> Regards,
> Murray

   Well, that would set all of the tracks to the same, as you record 
with that setting. you'd have to keep up with settings for different 
requirements, and as you jump from track to track recording, you'd 
have to change that setting.

   The settings in the parameter window below the toolbox are for 
individual instruments, and those settings are added into the tracks 
playback "parameters". You can transpose, you can make it non 
transposable, you can limit it's key range, , and you can specify the 
tracks delay, and it's now set for that instrument, you can forget 
about it now.

   Those settings are not shown in that tracks editors, the settings 
in the upper parameter window are. I'm sorry I must not be clear 
enough. I use those playback parameters to make up for instrument's 
response time, like slow attacked strings, really many things. AND, 
getting this stuff fined tuned like that, makes a humongous difference 
in overall sound and feel, I'm sure we all agree.

   Anyway, all I was saying was, that "playback" parameter feature is 
not on the audio instruments, like they are on the midi instruments, 
as a playback only effect on the track. 

   So just cable an empty midi instruments to the audio instrument, 
don't need a midi driver assign to that midi instrument or anything. 
Now choose that midi instrument in the arrange window, instead of the 
audio instrument that you are using. It'll play through the midi 
instrument that is cabled to it. Including any settings in it's 
"playback parameter window".

I hope that's clear, and was worth all this typing. I'm enjoying this 
Logic trick for my working style.

that's all I got to say about that...

df