EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

after you have programmed a drum kit, how do you all process each drum in
the mix stage?  do you all separate the MIDI information (that goes to the
exs kit), bouncing it to disc and the process each drum independently?
that¹s how i¹ve done it in the past- but there really HAS to be an easier
way for this....
any help is greatly appreciated.
always,
tv



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On Jun 29, 2005, at 6:41 PM, tony vincent wrote:

> after you have programmed a drum kit, how do you all process each  
> drum in
> the mix stage?  do you all separate the MIDI information (that goes  
> to the
> exs kit), bouncing it to disc and the process each drum independently?
> that�s how i�ve done it in the past- but there really HAS to be an  
> easier
> way for this....
> any help is greatly appreciated.
> always,
> tv
>

You are aware that there are not only mono and stereo Audio Units but  
Multi channel ones as well right? Its been this way for quite awhile  
now, I believe the EXS24MKii has a total of 16 individual channels to  
work with (could be off by a couple but think its 16) you need to  
make your patches Multi Channel instead of stereo and then configure  
your outputs in the patch accordingly..

---
Chris
www.descentrecords.com



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On Jun ,29, 2005, at 9:41 PM, tony vincent wrote:

> after you have programmed a drum kit, how do you all process each drum 
> in
>  the mix stage?  do you all separate the MIDI information (that goes 
> to the
>  exs kit), bouncing it to disc and the process each drum independently?
>  that¹s how i¹ve done it in the past- but there really HAS to be an 
> easier
>  way for this....

I don't think there's any one magic soloution. But there is certainly 
no need to actually print each part as audio first.

I usually just create multiple instances of the same EXS instrument, 
and then separate the midi information as needed. Sure it uses up more 
EXS instruments, but it doesn't really take up any significant 
additional system resources. You still have all the data as midi, so it 
is editable up to the end; and you can process the different EXS 
instruments as needed. I also often output them all to a bus to act as 
a subgroup where I can apply some general processing to all of them at 
once, and control the overall pre-mixed drumkit level - the best of 
both worlds.

Alternatively you can use the multiple output/aux feature; but to tell 
you the truth, unless you're setting up a template for repeated use, it 
seems like more work to me than just splitting the midi information 
across several instances of the same instrument. And you don't need to 
deal with the latency issues of putting plugins on auxes. Yeah, yeah, I 
know PDC in L7.1 takes care of that. But that's also not so simple; 
there are other issues the full PDC option brings to the party that 
need to be dealt with. I prefer to just keep it ol' skool:-)


--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Eli Krantzberg <elik@v...> wrote:
> 
> On Jun ,29, 2005, at 9:41 PM, tony vincent wrote:
> 
> > after you have programmed a drum kit, how do you all process each drum 
> > in
> >  the mix stage?  do you all separate the MIDI information (that goes 
> > to the
> >  exs kit), bouncing it to disc and the process each drum independently?
> >  that¹s how i¹ve done it in the past- but there really HAS to be an 
> > easier
> >  way for this....
> 
> I don't think there's any one magic soloution. But there is certainly 
> no need to actually print each part as audio first.
> 
> I usually just create multiple instances of the same EXS instrument, 
> and then separate the midi information as needed. Sure it uses up more 
> EXS instruments, but it doesn't really take up any significant 
> additional system resources. You still have all the data as midi, so it 
> is editable up to the end; and you can process the different EXS 
> instruments as needed. I also often output them all to a bus to act as 
> a subgroup where I can apply some general processing to all of them at 
> once, and control the overall pre-mixed drumkit level - the best of 
> both worlds.
> 
> Alternatively you can use the multiple output/aux feature; but to tell 
> you the truth, unless you're setting up a template for repeated use, it 
> seems like more work to me than just splitting the midi information 
> across several instances of the same instrument. And you don't need to 
> deal with the latency issues of putting plugins on auxes. Yeah, yeah, I 
> know PDC in L7.1 takes care of that. But that's also not so simple; 
> there are other issues the full PDC option brings to the party that 
> need to be dealt with. I prefer to just keep it ol' skool:-)
> 
> 
> --------
> Eli Krantzberg
> http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
> Almat Productions

If you do want to use the multichannel (wich is once you've done it and got used to, very 
time efficient), here's what you do:
-Use the Exs24 multichannel plug in
-in the instrument editor, add groups for the different drums: kick, snare, toms hh/ 
cymbals etc. Route these groups to different stereo or mono Exs outputs. (Within the 
"group-box")
- create aux objects in the environment, and select at the input-box one of your Exs 
output groups. Done!