EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi there,

since 7.1.1 we have the nice feature off showing the name of the 
loaded patch in the arrange window.

But what if I would like to go back to viewing the instrument name 
instead of the loaded patch? Sometimes I load something called Mellow 
Strings and then distort the hell out of it so I would like to see 
Dist Lead and not Mellow Strings.

Anybody found how to turn that off?

Thanks for the help

Cheers
Hans

>since 7.1.1 we have the nice feature off showing the name of the
>loaded patch in the arrange window.
>
>But what if I would like to go back to viewing the instrument name
>instead of the loaded patch? Sometimes I load something called Mellow
>Strings and then distort the hell out of it so I would like to see
>Dist Lead and not Mellow Strings.
>
>Anybody found how to turn that off?

You can always double-click and type over the default.
If you save your preset with a new name, it should update....

Regards - Colin

At 1:51 Uhr +0200 28.11.2005, Colin Shapiro wrote:
>  >But what if I would like to go back to viewing the instrument name
>>instead of the loaded patch? Sometimes I load something called Mellow
>>Strings and then distort the hell out of it so I would like to see
>>Dist Lead and not Mellow Strings.
>>
>>Anybody found how to turn that off?
>
>You can always double-click and type over the default.
>If you save your preset with a new name, it should update....

Thanks Colin,

what I wanna get back is the track showing the Audio Instrument 
Objects name instead of the name of the loaded instruments.

I know I can name the track, but that means I need to from now on 
name two things the same: the track and audio object. Does this make 
sense? I didn't think so.

Cheers
Hans

On Nov ,27, 2005, at 8:13 PM, Hans Hafner wrote:

> what I wanna get back is the track showing the Audio Instrument
> Objects name instead of the name of the loaded instruments.

I'm not sure exactly what the problem is. Just make sure your view 
options in the arrange window are set to show instrument name. You 
should then always see the name of the audio object in the track list. 
Depending on zoom levels you will also see the loaded patch name. But 
as long as the view is set to show the instrument name (as opposed to 
showing the track name) you'll see the name of the audio object as 
well.


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Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

Sorry, guys, you're not seeing what bothers me. I figured it out though.

You have to _turn off_ track names in the view menu of the arrange 
window to make Logic 7.1.1 (!!) stop it from showing the loaded patch 
on an EXS instrument.

This is bogus and totally stupid to change. I really despise the 
programmers for changing these little things from version to version, 
whatever disrupts the workflow we all got used to should only be 
changed for very serious considerations.

Anyway, thanks for trying to help guys.

Cheers
Hans

>Sorry, guys, you're not seeing what bothers me. I figured it out though.
>
>You have to _turn off_ track names in the view menu of the arrange
>window to make Logic 7.1.1 (!!) stop it from showing the loaded patch
>on an EXS instrument.

Okay Hans, I see what you mean.....

Funny, I actually like it the new way as I always used to have to 
type in the name of the patch. That's just the way I work. At least 
there's a way around it.

Regards - Colin

At 16:31 Uhr +0200 28.11.2005, Colin Shapiro wrote:
>Funny, I actually like it the new way as I always used to have to
>type in the name of the patch. That's just the way I work. At least
>there's a way around it.

See, and in the original question contained exactly that fact, that a 
lot of times the patch doesn't have anything to do anymore with the 
sound that's coming out of the instrument. That's why seeing the 
patch isn't useful to me.

Thanks anyway.
Hans

On Nov ,28, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Hans Hafner wrote:

>  That's why seeing the
> patch isn't useful to me.

If you enter a track name, it will replace the patch name in the 
arrange window view.


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Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

At 12:00 Uhr -0500 28.11.2005, Eli Krantzberg wrote:
>If you enter a track name, it will replace the patch name in the
>arrange window view.

I know, but will I then see the name in the track mixer? No unless I 
rename the audio object, so I have to name something twice. Thank you 
Apple for making me do this. I know it's not a big deal, it's just 
very irritating when all of a sudden things you gotten used to are 
changed.

Sorry guys, no offense, I know you're trying to help, but you're not 
seeing the bigger picture.

Cheers
Hans

On Nov ,28, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Hans Hafner wrote:


> I know, but will I then see the name in the track mixer?

Yes, you will. There is a view option in the track mixer to display 
track names.

> No unless I
> rename the audio object, so

Not necessary. Check out the local view menu in the track mixer.


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Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

At 12:23 Uhr -0500 28.11.2005, Eli Krantzberg wrote:
>Not necessary. Check out the local view menu in the track mixer.

But you do see my point about the feature that's making me change all 
previous songs, don't you?

Cheers
Hans

On Nov ,28, 2005, at 2:32 PM, Hans Hafner wrote:

> At 12:23 Uhr -0500 28.11.2005, Eli Krantzberg wrote:
>> Not necessary. Check out the local view menu in the track mixer.
>
> But you do see my point about the feature that's making me change all
> previous songs, don't you?

I know the behaviour changed from v. 6. Now it seems L7 fits in both an 
instrument name and patch name/track name (if one exists) wherever 
possible, depending on zoom levels. Personally like the new behaviour. 
But regardless, you can still easily get what you are looking for. 
Change it in your autoload once, and then you'll never have to think 
about it again.

--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

At 15:55 Uhr -0500 28.11.2005, Eli Krantzberg wrote:
>Now it seems L7 fits in both an instrument name and patch name/track 
>name (if one exists) wherever possible, depending on zoom levels. 
>Personally like the new behaviour. But regardless, you can still 
>easily get what you are looking for. Change it in your autoload 
>once, and then you'll never have to think about it again.

Sorry Eli,

something changed from 7.1 to 7.1.1 and that's what I'm talking 
about. I did like the fact that at a certain zoom level I could see 
both.

But in 7.1.1 it changed to _only_ displaying the patch name instead 
of the audio object name.

Yes, I can change the autoload. Yes, I can flip three switches... 
(switching the track and instruement in the view in the arrange and 
then the one in the track mixer) I just don't consider it wise to 
make me jump through this hoop.

The problem are the 50+ sketches that are lying around that I draw 
upon from time to time. So now when I open them, I have to first take 
a couple of minutes to figure out what is where.

And yes, it isn't such a big deal and from now on I'll just keep 
quite about it.

Thanks
Hans

On Nov ,28, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Hans Hafner wrote:

> something changed from 7.1 to 7.1.1 and that's what I'm talking
> about. I did like the fact that at a certain zoom level I could see
> both.
>
> But in 7.1.1 it changed to _only_ displaying the patch name instead
> of the audio object name.

..... when only the "track name" setting is enabled in the arrange 
window view menu? Or do you mean specifically in the track mixer?  I 
never compared it back to back with pre 7.1.1 versions. But I trust 
what you say is correct. I think I do remember now that the track mixer 
display conditions changed in 7.1.1; but I don't remember the arrange 
display conditions changing.

> The problem are the 50+ sketches that are lying around that I draw
> upon from time to time. So now when I open them, I have to first take
> a couple of minutes to figure out what is where.

Yeah, that is a drag. You could try importing the screen sets from your 
current corrected autoload. But that's also a few additional steps you 
would need to go through. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, as 
they say.....

> And yes, it isn't such a big deal and from now on I'll just keep
> quite about it.

Ironically I had a client here today (I do some Logic instruction) 
asking specifically about this behaviour. And I was sure glad that this 
little thread had caused me to investigate it a bit more closely over 
the last day or so than I had before ......


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Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions