EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

On Sat Jan 14  8:05 , nichtlineareaudioproduktionen <niko_s@...> sent:
>I would like to alternate between the samples loop-points - is this
>possible?

No. You'll need a 21st Century sampler for that... :-(

__ Ned Bouhalassa __
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> >I would like to alternate between the samples
> loop-points - is this
> >possible?
> 
> No. You'll need a 21st Century sampler for that...
> :-(
> 
> __ Ned Bouhalassa __



I don't think you'd need a 21st century sampler for it
- ANY hardware sampler can do it.
Alternate loops are extremely useful. exs look real
limited without it.

At 01:18 AM 1/15/2006 -0800, you wrote:

> > >I would like to alternate between the samples
> > loop-points - is this
> > >possible?
> >
> > No. You'll need a 21st Century sampler for that...
> > :-(
> >
> > __ Ned Bouhalassa __
>
>
>
>I don't think you'd need a 21st century sampler for it
>- ANY hardware sampler can do it.

Not true - although Kontakt can do it, it can't be streaming. I don't think 
HALion does it (could be wrong, can't check at the moment). I don't think 
MachFive can do it, nor EmulatorX. And not Giga.

>Alternate loops are extremely useful. exs look real limited without it.

Well, maybe - however, you can simulate this by creating one and then 
turning it into forward by flipping the loop data and appending it to the 
end of the loop. But of course, creating tat bidirectional loop isn't too 
possible in current sample editors.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

--- Garth Hjelte <garth@...> wrote:
> 
> Not true - although Kontakt can do it, it can't be
> streaming. I don't think 
> HALion does it (could be wrong, can't check at the
> moment). I don't think 
> MachFive can do it, nor EmulatorX. And not Giga.
> 
> >Alternate loops are extremely useful. exs look real
> limited without it.
> 
> Well, maybe - however, you can simulate this by
> creating one and then 
> turning it into forward by flipping the loop data
> and appending it to the 
> end of the loop. But of course, creating tat
> bidirectional loop isn't too 
> possible in current sample editors.
> 
> Garth Hjelte
> Sampler User



Garth,

without being pushy I said any HARDWARE sampler can do
it. That encludes the Yamaha models, the EMUs, the
AKAIs... 
Now with RAM getting real cheap I don't think software
developpers still waste tiime on finding a solution:
The recorded chunks are so long that you don't really
have to loop anymore...

Cheers
Jurgen

At 04:44 PM 1/15/2006 -0800, you wrote:

> > Not true - although Kontakt can do it, it can't be streaming. I don't 
> think
> > HALion does it (could be wrong, can't check at the moment). I don't think
> > MachFive can do it, nor EmulatorX. And not Giga.
> >
> > >Alternate loops are extremely useful. exs look real limited without it.
> >
> > Well, maybe - however, you can simulate this by creating one and then
> > turning it into forward by flipping the loop data and appending it to the
> > end of the loop. But of course, creating tat bidirectional loop isn't too
> > possible in current sample editors.

>without being pushy I said any HARDWARE sampler can do it.

Sorry, you're right! But...

>That encludes the Yamaha models, the EMUs, the AKAIs...

Don't mean to split hairs, but I'm not sure right off about the Yamaha, but 
the Akai and Emu DO NOT do it. Kurzweil, Ensoniq, and Roland do.

I'm talking about a loop type that goes from loop start to loop end, 
backwards from loop end to loop start, etc. in real time. I'm not talking 
about processing of the sample data not in real time.

>Now with RAM getting real cheap I don't think software
>developpers still waste tiime on finding a solution:
>The recorded chunks are so long that you don't really
>have to loop anymore...

No, you have a point. If simple waves have to be elongated it's a huge 
waste of disk space, even though disk space is more than it used to be. But 
then, given a 7 second sample, the crossfade could be imperceptible and 
forward loops can be done.

Still, to us old timers, an alt loop isn't brain surgery, so it is nice to 
have it on at least Kontakt.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

Garth,

> Still, to us old timers, an alt loop isn't brain
> surgery, so it is nice to 


1) How do you know how old I am :-) my first sampler
in fact was the prophet 2000... I always envied the
ensoniq "synthesize loop" - gorgeous tool, just why
doesn't anybody in the entire world do anything
similar?

> have it on at least Kontakt.

Hmmm Kontakt? I should at least have a look into that
one.

Happy looping!
Jurgen (currently in China)

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At 04:29 AM 1/16/2006 -0800, you wrote:

> > Still, to us old timers, an alt loop isn't brain
> > surgery, so it is nice to
>
>
>1) How do you know how old I am :-)

The Geritol reference in your earlier emails.. =)

>my first sampler in fact was the prophet 2000...

Cool

>I always envied the ensoniq "synthesize loop" - gorgeous tool, just why
>doesn't anybody in the entire world do anything similar?

I wonder what was actually behind it.

> > have it on at least Kontakt.
>
>Hmmm Kontakt? I should at least have a look into that one.

Kontakt includes the patch selects; although once they are in contact it's 
sort of assumed you aren't using an Ensoniq as a controller, although it's 
probably a good idea, with the patch selects and the polyphonic aftertouch 
keyboard.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User