EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Message posted by raymond <shengxiong1018@...>:

Hi,

I'm wondering that how to use the Modulation Matrix of EXS24 to produce the
Strings Vibrato and Crescendo??
Someone talk about the CC...erm..may i know what's CC??

Am 23.10.2006 um 17:36 schrieb raymond:

> I'm wondering that how to use the Modulation Matrix of EXS24 to  
> produce the
> Strings Vibrato and Crescendo??

There are many ways to create vibrato and crescendo, and which is  
best depends on the situation. You can use the LFO for vibrato but  
this will probably sound not very realistic with string section  
samples. You can try one of Logic's many modulation FX plug-ins.
Most realistic vibrato/crescendo is achieved when it's already in the  
sample, but that is sometimes not desirable.


> Someone talk about the CC...erm..may i know what's CC??

CC stands for Controller Change and is a MIDI message. You can use a  
CC message either to modulate an EXS parameter (pitch for instance)  
directly, or to control the amount of modulation of another  
modulation source (a LFO for instance).

Ingo

Message posted by raymond <shengxiong1018@...>:

Hi Ingo Debus:
Thanks for this wonderful Thread reply!!

> There are many ways to create vibrato and crescendo, and which is  
> best depends on the situation. You can use the LFO for vibrato but  
> this will probably sound not very realistic with string section  
> samples. You can try one of Logic's many modulation FX plug-ins.
> Most realistic vibrato/crescendo is achieved when it's already in the  
> sample, but that is sometimes not desirable.

Yup,did someone told me bout this LFO configuration to do the Vibrato and Crescendo so..but i just wondering how to do the setting??Could you please show me a sample ( which can be a Jpeg attachment or write down the setting in a text) ,so that i can base on the sample and learn from there?


> CC stands for Controller Change and is a MIDI message. You can use a  
> CC message either to modulate an EXS parameter (pitch for instance)  
> directly, or to control the amount of modulation of another  
> modulation source (a LFO for instance).

Oh..i see.now i'm truely understand!!haa..
erm..but,eventhough i'm understand the term-Controller Change..i still don't have the idea to do the setting of the control so..because i'm not a keyboardist..so,really not even understand the function of it!Would you mind to give me some idea on it?or give me a step to fulfill it??

Thanks and appreciate!!
Ray

Am 25.10.2006 um 07:15 schrieb raymond:

> Yup,did someone told me bout this LFO configuration to do the  
> Vibrato and Crescendo so..but i just wondering how to do the setting??

An empty patch for the EXS already comes up with the LFO routed to  
pitch (second entry in the modulation matrix). Just remove the "via  
Ctrl #1" entry, play a bit with the sliders next to that entry and  
hear waht happens...

> erm..but,eventhough i'm understand the term-Controller Change..i  
> still don't have the idea to do the setting of the control  
> so..because i'm not a keyboardist..so,really not even understand  
> the function of it!Would you mind to give me some idea on it?or  
> give me a step to fulfill it??
>

I'm not a keyboardist either :-)
So what do you use as input device? If you do step-by-step  
programming, you can use Logic's hyper draw feature to program CC data.

Ingo

Message posted by raymond <shengxiong1018@...>:

Hi Ingo:


thanks for the idea.
I'm not Keyboardist as well..
I'm actually using the USB midi controller to play my strings session and use the step-by-step programming skill to fine tune everything!!


What you've mention is using the Hyper Draw to program the CC data..eh,something interesting!!
I may need to learn about it..do you mind to show me the step to cue my Vibrato & Crescendo strings??

I've try out the LFO routering ..but still can't get a very strong Vibrato feel...what to do on it??

I strongly advise you NOT to try to make string vibrato this way. It will
sound very unrealistic. It is much better to get good sample libraries and
avoid any kind of artificial pitch control.

Don


on 11/4/06 11:43 PM, raymond at forums@... wrote:

> Message posted by raymond <shengxiong1018@...>:
> 
> Hi Ingo:
> 
> 
> thanks for the idea.
> I'm not Keyboardist as well..
> I'm actually using the USB midi controller to play my strings session and use
> the step-by-step programming skill to fine tune everything!!
> 
> 
> What you've mention is using the Hyper Draw to program the CC
> data..eh,something interesting!!
> I may need to learn about it..do you mind to show me the step to cue my
> Vibrato & Crescendo strings??
> 
> I've try out the LFO routering ..but still can't get a very strong Vibrato
> feel...what to do on it??
> 
> 
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Don Newmeyer wrote:
>I strongly advise you NOT to try to make string vibrato this way. It will
> sound very unrealistic. It is much better to get good sample libraries and
> avoid any kind of artificial pitch control.

Defenitely seconded.
Yet, if you simply don't have any of these libraries, it may help a bit to 
use the LFOs or whatever to add a bit of modulation.

To raymond:
>> I've try out the LFO routering ..but still can't get a very strong 
>> Vibrato
>> feel...what to do on it??

What exactly are you doing?
Putting aside how natural (or unnatural, for the matter...) LFOs will sound 
on natural string material, I can get the most strongest vibratos and 
tremolos imaginable from the LFOs.
Do you want me to post a little sample patch, using one of the instruments 
coming with Logic?

Regards
Sascha