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Re: [EXS] Re:Synth Sampling

Re: [EXS] Re:Synth Sampling

2007-09-05 by Sascha Franck

Nick Batzdorf wrote:
 > I'd recommend AutoSampler from www.Redmatica.com. It does this
> automatically.

Defenitely a good idea.
And in case it's a lot of sampling, I'd also consider their Keymap, which is 
nothing short but excellent for finetuning whatever patches.

A few things though, in case the OP likes or prefers to do it manually:

- Make sure to have long enough samples for a start. I'd say something like 
4-5 seconds (of course depending on the sound). Of course, this would mean 
you'd have to loop them. In case you don't want to go into that, the samples 
need to be even longer. For synth-ish patches, I'd go for looping as they 
could entirely be loaded into your RAM, which is quite better for the 
performance.

- Sample everything for a start, especially on patches that have any sort of 
movement in them. So, yes, if you are really getting rid of the synths, 
without an easy way to possibly repeat the process, sample them 
chromatically. You can still throw the unused files away later on. But as 
storage space is incredibly cheap these days, it's a good idea to have the 
full shebang to start with. Also, make sure to cover the broadest range 
possible (say, from C0 to C6).

- Cut and name your samples properly. The note name should be included. I'd 
go for something like "Patchname_C1.aif" or so. The EXS can do some 
automapping by notenames contained in the filename (unfortunately it's 
completely broken in LogicPro 7, but maybe it's fixed in the next version). 
Don't use flats (b) but sharps (#) only. So a Bb becomes A#. Otherwise the 
EXS (and other samplers) won't automap things.

- Obvious but still: It's a good idea to have some sort of a template in 
Logic. I would name the audio object of the track you record on as the patch 
and check the "use object names for recordings" box in the audio file path 
preferences. That way the basic file name would be right from the start. 
Also, of course, a MIDI track with all the notes you're going to sample is a 
good idea.

- Once you're done with recording, cutting and what not, check out the free 
Loop Editor:
http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/loop_editor.php
It might do the looping job better than the EXS, plus it's working 
destructively, which means the EXS has less work to do.

- As far as the actual EXS patches go: On simple sounds, you may get away 
fine with sample intervals of tritones, on more complexed sounds minor 
thirds might be a better idea and on really complexed sounds you may either 
go for all the white keys or chromatic. Less notes are easier to handle when 
doing the patch but they may degrade the sound too much.

Finally, yes, if you have the money and want to support an excellent 
developer, the Redmatica tools are your best bet to make everything a lot 
easier.

Regards
Sascha

Re: [EXS] Re:Synth Sampling

2007-09-05 by Ingo Debus

Am 05.09.2007 um 11:14 schrieb Sascha Franck:

> The EXS can do some
> automapping by notenames contained in the filename (unfortunately it's
> completely broken in LogicPro 7, but maybe it's fixed in the next  
> version).

Hm, I wasn't using EXS24 with earlier Logic versions, but this  
automapping based on filename seems to work as expected here. Did it  
work better on earlier versions?

I'm using Logic 7.1.1.

Ingo

[EXS] Re:Synth Sampling

2007-09-05 by Neil Marsh

Thanks for a really helpful reply, Sascha.  I'm definitely saving this
off and putting it on my desktop.

I'm torn between doing it all manually and buying AutoSampler.  The
purpose of selling my keyboards is to make room in my office so I can
build a voice-recording space and buy some more equipment.  So to
invest $140 in something I'm not likely to use afterward is a bit
scary but, at the same time, it would save me weeks of work.

Re: [EXS] Re:Synth Sampling

2007-09-06 by Sascha Franck

Ingo Debus wrote:
> Hm, I wasn't using EXS24 with earlier Logic versions, but this
> automapping based on filename seems to work as expected here. Did it
> work better on earlier versions?

> I'm using Logic 7.1.1.

It *could* be the following:
- It's only broken since 7.2.x (a lot of things are)
- It's only broken for Intel-Macs (a lot of things are)
- It's only broken for .wav files (didn't check with .aif but will later on 
or so)

Regards
Sascha

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