EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

jeroenbaar wrote:
> The knobs in the 'silver area', cutoff, resonance, drive, etc., send
> midi data out, but in playback they don't react to it (nothing
> happens)

There's a limitation in the current automation scheme in Logic for plugins.
Basically you can only automate CCs 64-127.
These are pseudo-dynamically assigned to your inserts.
Insert #1 = CC 64 - 79
Insert #2 = CC 80 - 85
and so on.

However, if you only have one EXS on an instrument track, you could automate
all possible 54 parameters the EXS has to offer. If you however have a
plugin following in the very next insert, the parameters for Cutoff and
Resonance will be "eaten up" by that plugin.
As a solution you could drag that plugin to a higher numbered insert. Then
you will be able to automate Cutoff/Resonance.

Just if you're interested, here's a list of all available EXS parameters and
how they refer to CCs (internal parameter number / CC number - EXS
parameter):

01/64 - Instrument
02/65 - Edit
03/66 - Options
04/67 - Output Volume
05/68 - Key Scale
06/69 - Pitch Bend (Up)
07/70 - Pitch Bend Down
08/71 - Mono Mode
09/72 - Voices
10/73 - Start Fixed
11/74 - Start via Vel
12/75 - Transpose
13/76 - Coarse Tune
14/77 - Fine Tune
15/78 - Glide
16/79 - Pitcher
17/80 - Pitcher via Vel
18/81 - Modulation LFO
19/82 - Mod. Depth Fixed
20/83 - Mod. Depth Wheel
21/84 - Filter
22/85 - Filter Type
23/86 - Filter LFO
24/87 - Filter LFO Fixed
25/88 - Filert LFO Wheel
26/89 - Filter Cutoff
27/90 - Filter Resonance
28/91 - Filter Drive
29/92 - Filter via Key
30/93 - Filter via Vel
31/94 - Filter ADSR Fixed
32/95 - Filter ADSR via Vel
33/96 - Level Fixed
34/97 - Level via Vel
35/98 - Tremolo/Pan LFO
36/99 - Pan Modulation
37/100 - Tremolo
38/101 - LFO 1 Dec./Decay
39/102 - LFO 1 Rate
40/103 - LFO 1 Waveform
41/104 - LFO 2 Waveform
42/105 - LFO 2 Rate
43/106 - Filter Attack
44/107 - Filter Att. via Vel
45/108 - Filter Decay
46/109 - Filter Sustain
47/110 - Filter Release
48/111 - Time via Key
49/112 - Attack Curve
50/113 - Amp Attack
51/114 - Amp Att. via Vel
52/115 - Amp Decay
53/116 - Amp Sustain
54/117 - Amp Release

Regards,
Sascha

>> However, if you only have one EXS on an instrument track, you 
could automate all possible 54 parameters the EXS has to offer. If 
you however have a plugin following in the very next insert, the 
parameters for Cutoff and Resonance will be "eaten up" by that plugin.
As a solution you could drag that plugin to a higher numbered insert. 
Then you will be able to automate Cutoff/Resonance.

Hey Sascha, thanks for your answer!

I have deleted some plugins form the inserts, and now everything is 
working just fine! I am very happy....

Also thanks for the other very 'documented' information, must have 
taken you some time to write it...

thanks & bye, Jeroen

> Also thanks for the other very 'documented' information, must have
> taken you some time to write it...

I have such lists for all Logic internal plugins, just in case you're
interested:

www.saschafranck.de/CC_Numbers.zip

In addition to the plain text files there's even some HTML document in it so
you can select a plugin in the left frame while its parameters will be shown
in the right one (you gotta unzip everything to one directory).
The numbers and CCs are all valid assuming the plugin is inserted into slot
#1. In case you have them in another slot you will have to add 16 for each
higher slot number.

Regards,
Sascha

I've explained how to get around this a couple times on this list. Create a
splitter, link it to the instrument, and record cutoff and resonance in the
arrange window on the splitter track. You can automate anything this way
that gives you trouble.

> From: "jeroenbaar" <jeroenbaar@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:12:23 -0000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] EXS: Cut off and Resonance don't 'listen' to midi
> 
>>> However, if you only have one EXS on an instrument track, you
> could automate all possible 54 parameters the EXS has to offer. If
> you however have a plugin following in the very next insert, the
> parameters for Cutoff and Resonance will be "eaten up" by that plugin.
> As a solution you could drag that plugin to a higher numbered insert.
> Then you will be able to automate Cutoff/Resonance.
> 
> Hey Sascha, thanks for your answer!
> 
> I have deleted some plugins form the inserts, and now everything is
> working just fine! I am very happy....
> 
> Also thanks for the other very 'documented' information, must have
> taken you some time to write it...
> 
> thanks & bye, Jeroen
> 
> 
> 
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Thanks for the very useful info, Sascha (well, 
useful for another 3 weeks!!!)

Ned

Sascha Franck wrote:

> I have such lists for all Logic internal plugins, just in case you're
> interested:
> 
> www.saschafranck.de/CC_Numbers.zip




http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

> I've explained how to get around this a couple times on this list. Create
a
> splitter, link it to the instrument, and record cutoff and resonance in
the
> arrange window on the splitter track. You can automate anything this way
> that gives you trouble.

Nah... that won't work if the appropriate CCs are "occupied" by inserts
using them.

Regards,
Sascha

Ouch. I see. Guess I never used enough inserts to test my assertion. Oh
well.

> From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:29:53 +0100
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] EXS: Cut off and Resonance don't 'listen' to midi
> 
>> I've explained how to get around this a couple times on this list. Create
> a
>> splitter, link it to the instrument, and record cutoff and resonance in
> the
>> arrange window on the splitter track. You can automate anything this way
>> that gives you trouble.
> 
> Nah... that won't work if the appropriate CCs are "occupied" by inserts
> using them.
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha
> 
> 
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>

Anybody know what "level fixed" is, and how it compares to output 
volume?

I'm still hunting for what would be the equivalent of "expression", 
which I use in my kurz all the time to control dynamics without 
changing the midi volume setting.

--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote:
> jeroenbaar wrote:
> > The knobs in the 'silver area', cutoff, resonance, drive, etc., 
send
> > midi data out, but in playback they don't react to it (nothing
> > happens)
> 
> There's a limitation in the current automation scheme in Logic for 
plugins.
> Basically you can only automate CCs 64-127.
> These are pseudo-dynamically assigned to your inserts.
> Insert #1 = CC 64 - 79
> Insert #2 = CC 80 - 85
> and so on.
> 
> However, if you only have one EXS on an instrument track, you could 
automate
> all possible 54 parameters the EXS has to offer. If you however 
have a
> plugin following in the very next insert, the parameters for Cutoff 
and
> Resonance will be "eaten up" by that plugin.
> As a solution you could drag that plugin to a higher numbered 
insert. Then
> you will be able to automate Cutoff/Resonance.
> 
> Just if you're interested, here's a list of all available EXS 
parameters and

> how they refer to CCs (internal parameter number / CC number - EXS
> parameter):
> 
> 01/64 - Instrument
> 02/65 - Edit
> 03/66 - Options
> 04/67 - Output Volume
> 05/68 - Key Scale
> 06/69 - Pitch Bend (Up)
> 07/70 - Pitch Bend Down
> 08/71 - Mono Mode
> 09/72 - Voices
> 10/73 - Start Fixed
> 11/74 - Start via Vel
> 12/75 - Transpose
> 13/76 - Coarse Tune
> 14/77 - Fine Tune
> 15/78 - Glide
> 16/79 - Pitcher
> 17/80 - Pitcher via Vel
> 18/81 - Modulation LFO
> 19/82 - Mod. Depth Fixed
> 20/83 - Mod. Depth Wheel
> 21/84 - Filter
> 22/85 - Filter Type
> 23/86 - Filter LFO
> 24/87 - Filter LFO Fixed
> 25/88 - Filert LFO Wheel
> 26/89 - Filter Cutoff
> 27/90 - Filter Resonance
> 28/91 - Filter Drive
> 29/92 - Filter via Key
> 30/93 - Filter via Vel
> 31/94 - Filter ADSR Fixed
> 32/95 - Filter ADSR via Vel
> 33/96 - Level Fixed
> 34/97 - Level via Vel
> 35/98 - Tremolo/Pan LFO
> 36/99 - Pan Modulation
> 37/100 - Tremolo
> 38/101 - LFO 1 Dec./Decay
> 39/102 - LFO 1 Rate
> 40/103 - LFO 1 Waveform
> 41/104 - LFO 2 Waveform
> 42/105 - LFO 2 Rate
> 43/106 - Filter Attack
> 44/107 - Filter Att. via Vel
> 45/108 - Filter Decay
> 46/109 - Filter Sustain
> 47/110 - Filter Release
> 48/111 - Time via Key
> 49/112 - Attack Curve
> 50/113 - Amp Attack
> 51/114 - Amp Att. via Vel
> 52/115 - Amp Decay
> 53/116 - Amp Sustain
> 54/117 - Amp Release
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha