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mandcmiller wrote:
> I'm having problems programming attack via velocity settings for
> creating realistic snare drum grace notes and buzz rolls. I have an
> Yamaha RM-50 that feels amazing. If I could only translate that feel
> (or similar) to the EXS! I've tried a whole bunch of different snare
> samples and even multi-samples using different velocity ranges but to
> no avail... Logic's sequencing is unequalled for programming realistic
> drum grooves via MIDI - the velocity tool in the matrix editor is a
> life saver for me. Any suuggestions?

You could try the velocity to attack function of the EXS's amp ADSR. In case
you only need it for snares, setup some ADSR offset in all other groups.
Very light settings should do a good job.
However, a great method to usually achieve such an effect is to alter the
sample start as well, following your velocity. Unfortunately the EXS only
has that as a global option and you usually don't want cymbal samples to
have a later sample start...

Btw, talking about the velocity tool - have you ever tried hyperedit in drum
mode for velocity editing? One of my favourites for snare rolls and the
likes.

Regards,
Sascha

Any sound-examples available somewhere (where the teqnique can be explained
;-) of sampled drums sounding realistic?

-----Original Message-----
From: Sascha Franck [mailto:saschafranck@...]
Sent: 31. oktober 2002 20:59
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] Re: Realistic HiHat Tip


mandcmiller wrote:
> I'm having problems programming attack via velocity settings for
> creating realistic snare drum grace notes and buzz rolls. I have an
> Yamaha RM-50 that feels amazing. If I could only translate that feel
> (or similar) to the EXS! I've tried a whole bunch of different snare
> samples and even multi-samples using different velocity ranges but to
> no avail... Logic's sequencing is unequalled for programming realistic
> drum grooves via MIDI - the velocity tool in the matrix editor is a
> life saver for me. Any suuggestions?

You could try the velocity to attack function of the EXS's amp ADSR. In case
you only need it for snares, setup some ADSR offset in all other groups.
Very light settings should do a good job.
However, a great method to usually achieve such an effect is to alter the
sample start as well, following your velocity. Unfortunately the EXS only
has that as a global option and you usually don't want cymbal samples to
have a later sample start...

Btw, talking about the velocity tool - have you ever tried hyperedit in drum
mode for velocity editing? One of my favourites for snare rolls and the
likes.

Regards,
Sascha






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--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote:
> mandcmiller wrote:
> 
> You could try the velocity to attack function of the EXS's amp ADSR. However, a great method to usually achieve such an effect is to alter the sample start as well, following your velocity."

As far as ADSR settings are concerned, that's what I've been working 
with but the feel just isn't quite right. I can get close but only with 
snares that have a fairly soft attack to begin with. I will have to try 
sample start as an alternative. That might solve the attack curve 
issues that don't feel right with the ADSR.

"have you ever tried hyperedit in drum mode for velocity editing?"

I have not tried hyperedit but I should check it out. I guess I'm used 
to the Matrix environment. I usually select all of the notes in a 
sequence and set each notes length to 1 tick via the transform 
function. 

Thanks,

Matt