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       Ned Bouhalassa

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The Freeze feature, assuming it works as noted, is just what the doctor
ordered. Ingenious solution to CPU limitations!! Can't wait!

Bitchin! I'm stoked, drooling, lusting, desperate to get my hands on this.
Genius at work it looks like to me. Every feature is a huge leap forward!
-Jer

> The Freeze feature, assuming it works as noted, is just what the doctor
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> The Freeze feature, assuming it works as noted, is just what the doctor
> ordered. 

Sure is. This makes the idea of using the EXS-24 for playback of HUGE 
orchestral library's such as the Vienna Symphonic Library an absolute 
godsend!  
Imagine the sampling power added to your fingers overnight..

Im happy :>

Better get a dedicated RAID hard drive setup. DSP will help to an extent,
but you'll be streaming a lot of audio which will have more to do with your
disk access speed over anything else. -Jer

> Sure is. This makes the idea of using the EXS-24 for playback of HUGE
> orchestral library's such as the Vienna Symphonic Library an absolute
> godsend!  
> Imagine the sampling power added to your fingers overnight..
> 
> Im happy :>

hi,

does anyone know how to trigger a different random value as modulator source
with every keystroke?

i mean to pan left OR right with every key.
the lfs only seam to flow on their own, i cant find a "retrigger" parameter
like the akais have.

any idea?

thanks ulf.


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I can't look at it now, but I thought there was an lfo retrigger...

> i mean to pan left OR right with every key.
> the lfs only seam to flow on their own, i cant find a "retrigger" parameter
> like the akais have.

> Better get a dedicated RAID hard drive setup. DSP will help to 
an extent,
> but you'll be streaming a lot of audio which will have more to do 
with your
> disk access speed over anything else. -Jer

Certainly! Forgot to mention that!
Was thinking maybe just a 29160 SCSI card and 10000 RPM 
SCSI HD would do the trick - but just remembered these HD's 
wouldnt be big 
enough (36 gigs max?) to house a sample library of that size in 
it.. So yes - looks like i would need a raid setup :( $$$

<vaz303@...> wrote:
> Certainly! Forgot to mention that!
> Was thinking maybe just a 29160 SCSI card and 10000 RPM
> SCSI HD would do the trick - however these HD's wouldnt be big
> enough (36 gigs max?) to house a sample library of that size in
> it.. So yes -  looks like i would need a raid setup :(  $$$

Hm... why $$$?
As a potential future Mac user I'm really interested in this.
These days, almost any PC mainboard has some UDMA 133 controller onboard - 1
or 2 slots, allowing for 2 or 4 total physical drives, in addition to the
standard IDE ports (which allow for 4 other devices to be connected, such as
your system disk and CD/CDR/DVD drives).
A fast and reliable HDD such as, say, a WD 80GB (Maxtors should do the job
as well) wouldn't cost you more than around 100$ or so, so in the end you
can get 320GB of fast diskspace for 400$.
Is that any different on Macs?
And why RAID? On PCs all those controllers allow for a RAID setup, but it
simply makes no sense - unless you call the standard "Stripe 0" (I think
that's what the standard is...) a RAID allready. Single drives are fast
enough to handle tons of audio data simultaneously (on my current mediocre
Athlon 1GHz I can run 200+ tracks).

Sascha

Just go for an ATA bus and setup up a software stripe array in OSX. It'll
double the access speed too (great for streaming samples). Be careful
though, because OSX RAIDs are not visible to OS9 (so I've heard). The ATA
controller is probably under $50. Two 120GB drives would run about $300.
That's a lot of storage at 2x7200 (or whatever it is) RPMs. -Jer

> <vaz303@...> wrote:
>> Certainly! Forgot to mention that!
>> Was thinking maybe just a 29160 SCSI card and 10000 RPM
>> SCSI HD would do the trick - however these HD's wouldnt be big
>> enough (36 gigs max?) to house a sample library of that size in
>> it.. So yes -  looks like i would need a raid setup :(  $$$
> 
> Hm... why $$$?
> As a potential future Mac user I'm really interested in this.
> These days, almost any PC mainboard has some UDMA 133 controller onboard - 1
> or 2 slots, allowing for 2 or 4 total physical drives, in addition to the
> standard IDE ports (which allow for 4 other devices to be connected, such as
> your system disk and CD/CDR/DVD drives).
> A fast and reliable HDD such as, say, a WD 80GB (Maxtors should do the job
> as well) wouldn't cost you more than around 100$ or so, so in the end you
> can get 320GB of fast diskspace for 400$.
> Is that any different on Macs?
> And why RAID? On PCs all those controllers allow for a RAID setup, but it
> simply makes no sense - unless you call the standard "Stripe 0" (I think
> that's what the standard is...) a RAID allready. Single drives are fast
> enough to handle tons of audio data simultaneously (on my current mediocre
> Athlon 1GHz I can run 200+ tracks).
> 
> Sascha
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On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 05:59  AM, <HELP@...> 
wrote:

> Just go for an ATA bus and setup up a software stripe array in OSX. 
> It'll
> double the access speed too (great for streaming samples). Be careful
> though, because OSX RAIDs are not visible to OS9 (so I've heard).

OSX ATA raids are definitely not OS9 compatible.

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Edmund Eagan
www.twelfthroot.com

At 10:25 AM 1/18/03 +0100, you wrote: 
>
> <vaz303@...> wrote:
> > Certainly! Forgot to mention that!
> > Was thinking maybe just a 29160 SCSI card and 10000 RPM
> > SCSI HD would do the trick - however these HD's wouldnt be big
> > enough (36 gigs max?) to house a sample library of that size in
> > it.. So yes -  looks like i would need a raid setup :(  $$$
>
> Hm... why $$$?
> As a potential future Mac user I'm really interested in this.
> These days, almost any PC mainboard has some UDMA 133 controller onboard - 1
> or 2 slots, allowing for 2 or 4 total physical drives, in addition to the
> standard IDE ports (which allow for 4 other devices to be connected, such as
> your system disk and CD/CDR/DVD drives).
> A fast and reliable HDD such as, say, a WD 80GB (Maxtors should do the job
> as well) wouldn't cost you more than around 100$ or so, so in the end you
> can get 320GB of fast diskspace for 400$.
> Is that any different on Macs?


Yes -- RAID controllers are not provided on the motherboard. You can of course
buy them from third parties but at additional cost. Like Win2K/XP,  the Mac OS
supports striped volumes in software but the efficiencies gained are not
comparable those of hardware RAID systems -- in fact since all the processing 
is handled by the CPU instead of a hardware controller it loads the CPU --
hardly what you would want on a PC or a Mac DAW. 

>
> And why RAID? On PCs all those controllers allow for a RAID setup, but it
> simply makes no sense - unless you call the standard "Stripe 0" (I think
> that's what the standard is...) a RAID allready. Single drives are fast
> enough to handle tons of audio data simultaneously (on my current mediocre
> Athlon 1GHz I can run 200+ tracks).


Yes even at 13GB drives were fast enough for a sh**load of tracks. The question
is -- how many voices can you get out of ESX24 on your system with streaming on
and just one Audio drive? 

CPU resources could perhaps be the limitation on an Athlon 1GHz system. With a
faster CPU eventually the harddrive would be the limitation. That's where
mirrored drives (for example) are an advantage -- reads are twice as fast. You
should be able to get many more streaming voices from a RAID array where two or
more lots of heads are doing the seeks.  Read access time is the main limit to
be overcome. In continuous reads the latest 7200 rpm drives (eg IBM Deathstar
180GXP) are transferring data to RAM at over 50 MByte/sec which is ~ 300 times
as fast as a CD playing back at 1X (one stereo track at 44.1kHz and 16 bit). 
However the same drive would not be able to support 300 simultaneous stereo
sampler voices because of all the time lost seeking the data. This becomes
relevant with heavily loaded GigaStudio systems where orchestral arrangements
use many simultaneous voices. Now that the big .gig format libraries are
working in EXS24 with streaming the advantages of RAID  come into play.

Regards,
Murray

Interesting information there guys,
  I misunderstood the whole concept - thinking that a "raid" setup
was limited to utilizing expensive SCSI drives only. Stupid me didnt
realise 
the 'I' in RAID meant cheap ATA HD's!!!

In that case then, the $$ needed to set up one of these raids in
conjunction with 
logic using the EXS for big sample librarys like orchestral work
doesnt seem so 
bad at all now :()  
Most likely will do this down the line when i have enough $$ for the
Vienna 
library.

Anyways keep the info-flow coming ..
Cheers

> > Hm... why $$$?
> > As a potential future Mac user I'm really interested in this.
> > These days, almost any PC mainboard has some UDMA 133 controller 
onboard - 1
> > or 2 slots, allowing for 2 or 4 total physical drives, in
addition to the
> > standard IDE ports (which allow for 4 other devices to be
connected, such 
as
> > your system disk and CD/CDR/DVD drives).
> > A fast and reliable HDD such as, say, a WD 80GB (Maxtors should
do the 
job
> > as well) wouldn't cost you more than around 100$ or so, so in the
end you
> > can get 320GB of fast diskspace for 400$.
> > Is that any different on Macs?
> 
> 
> Yes -- RAID controllers are not provided on the motherboard. You
can of 
course
> buy them from third parties but at additional cost. Like Win2K/XP, 
the Mac 
OS
> supports striped volumes in software but the efficiencies gained
are not
> comparable those of hardware RAID systems -- in fact since all the 
processing 
> is handled by the CPU instead of a hardware controller it loads the
CPU --
> hardly what you would want on a PC or a Mac DAW. 
> 
> >
> > And why RAID? On PCs all those controllers allow for a RAID
setup, but it
> > simply makes no sense - unless you call the standard "Stripe 0"
(I think
> > that's what the standard is...) a RAID allready. Single drives
are fast
> > enough to handle tons of audio data simultaneously (on my current 
mediocre
> > Athlon 1GHz I can run 200+ tracks).
> 
> 
> Yes even at 13GB drives were fast enough for a sh**load of tracks.
The 
question
> is -- how many voices can you get out of ESX24 on your system with 
streaming on
> and just one Audio drive? 
> 
> CPU resources could perhaps be the limitation on an Athlon 1GHz
system. 
With a
> faster CPU eventually the harddrive would be the limitation. That's
where
> mirrored drives (for example) are an advantage -- reads are twice
as fast. 
You
> should be able to get many more streaming voices from a RAID array
where 
two or
> more lots of heads are doing the seeks.  Read access time is the
main limit to
> be overcome. In continuous reads the latest 7200 rpm drives (eg IBM 
Deathstar
> 180GXP) are transferring data to RAM at over 50 MByte/sec which is
~ 300 
times
> as fast as a CD playing back at 1X (one stereo track at 44.1kHz and
16 bit). 
> However the same drive would not be able to support 300
simultaneous 
stereo
> sampler voices because of all the time lost seeking the data. This
becomes
> relevant with heavily loaded GigaStudio systems where orchestral 
arrangements
> use many simultaneous voices. Now that the big .gig format
libraries are
> working in EXS24 with streaming the advantages of RAID  come into
play.

> 
> Regards,
> Murray

On that note... I have seen hardware-controlled quad arrays (4x120GB) for
firewire in a Mac equipment catalog, but it was priced over $3000 -- OUCH!!
Perhaps there are cheaper alternatives... Jer

> is handled by the CPU instead of a hardware controller it loads the CPU --
> hardly what you would want on a PC or a Mac DAW.