EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Ok, so I'm sure we've all heard about the G5 release and the appearance of
Gerhard in the keynote address.  He drops the stat that the new G5 played
1000 simultaneous 24-bit EXS24 voices. That sure sounds like plenty to play
back any massively huge VSL orchestration you might do.  But just how many
GB of samples can you load up into 8GB of memory with disk streaming turned
on?

thanks,
Sam

Sam wrote: 
>
> Ok, so I'm sure we've all heard about the G5 release and the appearance of
> Gerhard in the keynote address.  He drops the stat that the new G5 played
> 1000 simultaneous 24-bit EXS24 voices. That sure sounds like plenty to play
> back any massively huge VSL orchestration you might do.  But just how many
> GB of samples can you load up into 8GB of memory with disk streaming turned
> on?



You would only need a fraction of the potential 8GB to run an orchestration if
disk streaming was switched on. However, you would never get near the limit of
voices with the current streaming setup. The limit would be disk throughput.

As streaming is currently setup, the proportion of each sample buffered in RAM
is small: just the initial part of each sample is loaded into RAM. If they
offered more user control over the bufferring ( on a per song basis say) you
could perhaps load a lot more of each sample into RAM and then only long notes
would play from disk. Loading an arrangment would take a while.  :-)

8GB would be 4 x 2 GB sticks -- not cheap and they would be obsolete long
before your sample library. This is one of the advantages of a big address
space -- 32 bit address is limited to 4GB. 

This makes me feel old -- 8MB was a generous allowance of memory for a Mac or
PC 11 years ago.

Regards,
Murray

> > Ok, so I'm sure we've all heard about the G5 release and the appearance of
> > Gerhard in the keynote address.  He drops the stat that the new G5 played
> > 1000 simultaneous 24-bit EXS24 voices.
I read from a source inside emagic that the *actual* tests gave more in the
region of 1400, but stuck to 'over 1000' for safety :-)

~Pev

On a fine day, 24-06-2003, Murray McDowall wrote:

>This makes me feel old -- 8MB was a generous allowance of memory for a Mac or
>PC 11 years ago.

You think _you're_ old?  When I bought my Atari Mega ST2 with a 
whopping 2MB ram, all my friends were still on DOS boxes with 640k. 
Some even wondered why on earth you would ever need 2 MB :-)).  And 
imagine the envy when I dumped my 30MB harddisk and bought a huge 
(and expensive) 210MB one...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Some of those old days were good.. I can remember the Commodore 64, 
Apple IIe, then the IBM PC XT.  But from the music stand point there 
was the Atari ST w/Hybrid Arts SMPTE Track (solid as a rock). 

It's sort of like speaking with my grandfather when he was alive, and 
he reminisced the "good ol days" about 25 cent hamburgers... hehe

Adam


--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> On a fine day, 24-06-2003, Murray McDowall wrote:
> 
> >This makes me feel old -- 8MB was a generous allowance of memory 
for a Mac or

> >PC 11 years ago.
> 
> You think _you're_ old?  When I bought my Atari Mega ST2 with a 
> whopping 2MB ram, all my friends were still on DOS boxes with 640k. 
> Some even wondered why on earth you would ever need 2 MB :-)).  And 
> imagine the envy when I dumped my 30MB harddisk and bought a huge 
> (and expensive) 210MB one...
> 
> -- 
> Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

> On a fine day, 24-06-2003, Murray McDowall wrote:

> >This makes me feel old -- 8MB was a generous allowance of memory for a Mac or
> >PC 11 years ago.

From: "Hendrik Jan Veenstra" <h@...>

> You think _you're_ old?  When I bought my Atari Mega ST2 with a
> whopping 2MB ram, all my friends were still on DOS boxes with 640k.
> Some even wondered why on earth you would ever need 2 MB :-)).  And
> imagine the envy when I dumped my 30MB harddisk and bought a huge
> (and expensive) 210MB one...


And you think _you_ are old; I still have my first two computers sitting next to
me as a reminder how far we have come.

I have an Altair 8800 with a whopping 4KB of RAM, and an Imsai 8080 with 32 KB
RAM. They both have a lot of LEDs for the data and address buss activities which
were great to watch as your teletype paper tape was loading the programs...

They also doubled as great heaters during the winter months...

Danny

On a fine day, 24-06-2003, chinbassman wrote:

>Some of those old days were good.. I can remember the Commodore 64,
>Apple IIe, then the IBM PC XT.  But from the music stand point there
>was the Atari ST w/Hybrid Arts SMPTE Track (solid as a rock).

Arrgh... another SMPTEtrack user!  C00l, a trip down memory lane... 
:-)  Now *that* was a stable application if ever I saw one -- never 
*ever* crashed.

>It's sort of like speaking with my grandfather when he was alive, and
>he reminisced the "good ol days" about 25 cent hamburgers... hehe

... which in some respects tasted better than todays burgers that 
have added vitamins, lo-fat sauces and other 21st century 'gadgets'.

SMPTEtrack tempo tracks... Oh how I wish Logic had that...  Or its 
tempo fader for recording after-the-fact tempo changes -- high 
resolution, adjustable range...  Emagic, please...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Oh yeah baby!..Those were the days.
At 08:07 AM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > On a fine day, 24-06-2003, Murray McDowall wrote:
>
> > >This makes me feel old -- 8MB was a generous allowance of memory for a 
> Mac or
> > >PC 11 years ago.
>
>From: "Hendrik Jan Veenstra" <h@...>
>
> > You think _you're_ old?  When I bought my Atari Mega ST2 with a
> > whopping 2MB ram, all my friends were still on DOS boxes with 640k.
> > Some even wondered why on earth you would ever need 2 MB :-)).  And
> > imagine the envy when I dumped my 30MB harddisk and bought a huge
> > (and expensive) 210MB one...
>
>
>And you think _you_ are old; I still have my first two computers sitting 
>next to
>me as a reminder how far we have come.
>
>I have an Altair 8800 with a whopping 4KB of RAM, and an Imsai 8080 with 32 KB
>RAM. They both have a lot of LEDs for the data and address buss activities 
>which
>were great to watch as your teletype paper tape was loading the programs...
>
>They also doubled as great heaters during the winter months...
>
>Danny
>
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From: Murray McDowall <murraymc@...>

>You would only need a fraction of the potential 8GB to run an orchestration if
>disk streaming was switched on.

It depends on how big the orchestration is, but even that's not the 
bigger issue. The main reason so many composers use multiple Giga 
machines is that you don't want to go loading samples while you're 
writing - you need them all cued up and ready to go, even though 
everything isn't playing  every second of the time.

>  However, you would never get near the limit of
>voices with the current streaming setup. The limit would be disk throughput.

I suspect that with multiple drives (possibly arrays) running across 
multiple busses you'd be okay.

>As streaming is currently setup, the proportion of each sample buffered in RAM
>is small: just the initial part of each sample is loaded into RAM. If they
>offered more user control over the bufferring ( on a per song basis say) you
>could perhaps load a lot more of each sample into RAM and then only long notes
>would play from disk. Loading an arrangment would take a while.  :-)

Right now I fill up a 1.5GB GigaStudio machine and a 1.5GB Mac with 
the Vienna Symphonic Library and still need more.

>8GB would be 4 x 2 GB sticks -- not cheap and they would be obsolete long
>before your sample library. This is one of the advantages of a big address
>space -- 32 bit address is limited to 4GB.
>
>This makes me feel old -- 8MB was a generous allowance of memory for a Mac or
>PC 11 years ago.

I've said it again and I'll say it before: we musicians have always 
brought computers to their knees.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 05:07  AM, Danny wrote:

> And you think _you_ are old; I still have my first two computers 
> sitting next to
> me as a reminder how far we have come.
>
> I have an Altair 8800 with a whopping 4KB of RAM, and an Imsai 8080 
> with 32 KB
> RAM. They both have a lot of LEDs for the data and address buss 
> activities which
> were great to watch as your teletype paper tape was loading the 
> programs...
>
> They also doubled as great heaters during the winter months...
>

1973 Grade 8, 1st mainframe in western Canada. programmed with cards 
and pencils. ram ? hd? Took up a room. I couldn't move it to take it 
home, if they would have left me ;-)

SMPTE Track rocks. Loved that one. Made great dance records with it...

George
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Hello 

On 24/06/03 20:23, "Nick Batzdorf" <recording@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> Right now I fill up a 1.5GB GigaStudio machine and a 1.5GB Mac with
> the Vienna Symphonic Library and still need more.
> 
> So with 6  or 8 GB on a G5 2 x 2ghz you should be fine ?
> 
>> >8GB would be 4 x 2 GB sticks -- not cheap and they would be obsolete long
>> >before your sample library. This is one of the advantages of a big address
>> >space -- 32 bit address is limited to 4GB.
>> >
    It¹s 8 x 1 GB stick. I was looking on Internet for the price of those
stick, what reference should I look for ?

    

Thanks in advance.

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Cyril Blanc
France

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