EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Has anyone received the VSL Performance Set for EXS yet? I got 
it yesterday and am thoroughly annoyed.  The file transfer and 
unstuff from DVD took somewhere between six and eight hours - 
no problem, that can go one disk at a time unattended, but 
here's the crunch.  When I went to Project Manager to resolve the 
somewhere around 90,000 sample file references, it was, 
according to VSL an "overnight process" that needen't be 
attended.  WRONG.  Every EXS program I tried (about six test 
progs.) had at least one duplicate sample from the Orchestral 
Cube, and of course, the program manager asks you which 
sample you would like to use.  You have to choose, hence, no 
unattended overnight sample resolve.  With the number of 
samples and resolutions, this looks like about a twelve hour 
carefully attended process.

Good luck to all who have bought this (not too carefully thought 
out for EXS) Performance Set.  If anybody has a workaround, 
please post it.  Oh yes, and Emagic has released Logic 6.1.1 
with the VSL implementation, but no Performance Tool is on the 
VSL site though they said on the box it would be.  It's still "In 
Developement."   This is after we paid in full for it three months 
ago.  Grrrrrrrrrr.   I'll save the bitch about several programs in
the 
Orchestral Cube with the wrong release samples for later.

Great, great library, but it needs some serious attention to a 
pretty major oversight. at least on my setup!

James Ryan

James,
I have VSL but not the performance set.  If you wait for the first 
time Logic displays the duplicate reference and select "choose 
best match" then it won't ask you that anymore and you can leave 
it unattended.   Hope that helps,
Marc

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "jrslam1" <jeryan@o...> 
wrote:
> Has anyone received the VSL Performance Set for EXS yet? I 
got 
> it yesterday and am thoroughly annoyed.  The file transfer and 
> unstuff from DVD took somewhere between six and eight 
hours - 
> no problem, that can go one disk at a time unattended, but 
> here's the crunch.  When I went to Project Manager to resolve 
the 
> somewhere around 90,000 sample file references, it was, 
> according to VSL an "overnight process" that needen't be 
> attended.  WRONG.  Every EXS program I tried (about six test 
> progs.) had at least one duplicate sample from the Orchestral 
> Cube, and of course, the program manager asks you which 
> sample you would like to use.  You have to choose, hence, no 
> unattended overnight sample resolve.  With the number of 
> samples and resolutions, this looks like about a twelve hour 
> carefully attended process.
> 
> Good luck to all who have bought this (not too carefully thought 
> out for EXS) Performance Set.  If anybody has a workaround, 
> please post it.  Oh yes, and Emagic has released Logic 6.1.1 
> with the VSL implementation, but no Performance Tool is on 
the 

> VSL site though they said on the box it would be.  It's still "In 
> Developement."   This is after we paid in full for it three months 
> ago.  Grrrrrrrrrr.   I'll save the bitch about several programs in
> the 
> Orchestral Cube with the wrong release samples for later.
> 
> Great, great library, but it needs some serious attention to a 
> pretty major oversight. at least on my setup!
> 
> James Ryan

James wrote:
>
>....it was, according to VSL an "overnight process" that needen't be
>attended.  WRONG.  Every EXS program I tried (about six test
>progs.) had at least one duplicate sample from the Orchestral
>Cube, and of course, the program manager asks you which
>sample you would like to use.  You have to choose, hence, no
>unattended overnight sample resolve.  With the number of
>samples and resolutions, this looks like about a twelve hour
>carefully attended process.

Someone has answered this already. The "best match scenario" works just fine.

>  Oh yes, and Emagic has released Logic 6.1.1
>with the VSL implementation, but no Performance Tool is on the
>VSL site though they said on the box it would be.

It seems that Emagic surprised VSL be releasing 6.1.1 so soon. If 
you're not already a member, join the VSL forum at their website for 
the latest news and some seriously impressive support from the VSL 
team.

Regards - Colin

Thanks for the tip.  That could be a huge timesaver.  However.....are we
sure that "choose the best match" will choose a performance from the
Performance Set folder and not a stationary note from the Orchestra Cube
folder?  If it chooses "unwisely" it could be a friggin nightmare to try and
find and correct the bad choice.  Are we certain here?

Thanks,
James

on 8/2/03 4:23 PM, prs151 at marcdilo@... wrote:

James,
I have VSL but not the performance set.  If you wait for the first
time Logic displays the duplicate reference and select "choose
best match" then it won't ask you that anymore and you can leave
it unattended.   Hope that helps,
Marc

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "jrslam1" <jeryan@o...>
wrote:
> Has anyone received the VSL Performance Set for EXS yet? I
got 
> it yesterday and am thoroughly annoyed.  The file transfer and
> unstuff from DVD took somewhere between six and eight
hours - 
> no problem, that can go one disk at a time unattended, but
> here's the crunch.  When I went to Project Manager to resolve
the 
> somewhere around 90,000 sample file references, it was,
> according to VSL an "overnight process" that needen't be
> attended.  WRONG.  Every EXS program I tried (about six test
> progs.) had at least one duplicate sample from the Orchestral
> Cube, and of course, the program manager asks you which
> sample you would like to use.  You have to choose, hence, no
> unattended overnight sample resolve.  With the number of
> samples and resolutions, this looks like about a twelve hour
> carefully attended process.
> 
> Good luck to all who have bought this (not too carefully thought
> out for EXS) Performance Set.  If anybody has a workaround,
> please post it.  Oh yes, and Emagic has released Logic 6.1.1
> with the VSL implementation, but no Performance Tool is on
the 
> VSL site though they said on the box it would be.  It's still "In
> Developement."   This is after we paid in full for it three months
> ago.  Grrrrrrrrrr.   I'll save the bitch about several programs in
> the 
> Orchestral Cube with the wrong release samples for later.
> 
> Great, great library, but it needs some serious attention to a
> pretty major oversight. at least on my setup!
> 
> James Ryan




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James wrote:
>Thanks for the tip.  That could be a huge timesaver.  However.....are we
>sure that "choose the best match" will choose a performance from the
>Performance Set folder and not a stationary note from the Orchestra Cube
>folder?  If it chooses "unwisely" it could be a friggin nightmare to try and
>find and correct the bad choice.  Are we certain here?

If I understand correctly, the files have unique names. Apparently 
there are duplicates between the 2 sets, but these files would be 
identical. Anyway, Logic's PM tends to look for an entire PATH, not 
just a filename.

I'm still waiting for my Perf Set so I can't comment first hand unfortunately.

Regards - Colin

OK.  Well, hell, I'll give it a try tonight while I sleep.  Fact is, if the
identical filenames indicate identical files, who cares where the EXS gets
them?  I won't know if it worked until VSL posts the actual performance and
repetition tools to test the theory, but at this point, it sounds like a go.
Thanks for the help!

James



on 8/2/03 7:49 PM, Colin Shapiro at musos@... wrote:

James wrote:
>Thanks for the tip.  That could be a huge timesaver.  However.....are we
>sure that "choose the best match" will choose a performance from the
>Performance Set folder and not a stationary note from the Orchestra Cube
>folder?  If it chooses "unwisely" it could be a friggin nightmare to try and
>find and correct the bad choice.  Are we certain here?

If I understand correctly, the files have unique names. Apparently
there are duplicates between the 2 sets, but these files would be
identical. Anyway, Logic's PM tends to look for an entire PATH, not
just a filename.

I'm still waiting for my Perf Set so I can't comment first hand
unfortunately.

Regards - Colin




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At 6:24 PM -0400 8/2/03, James Ryan wrote:
>Thanks for the tip.  That could be a huge timesaver.  However.....are we
>sure that "choose the best match" will choose a performance from the
>Performance Set folder and not a stationary note from the Orchestra Cube
>folder?  If it chooses "unwisely" it could be a friggin nightmare to try and
>find and correct the bad choice.  Are we certain here?


How about temporarily putting the Cube folder to trash and launching 
every instrument one by one? Will this work?

Best,

Andy
--

Tried it.  The PM finds them in the trash too.  Hitting the "use best choice" button did the trick.

JR

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Hardwake 
  To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [EXS][VSL] total annoyance


  At 6:24 PM -0400 8/2/03, James Ryan wrote:
  >Thanks for the tip.  That could be a huge timesaver.  However.....are we
  >sure that "choose the best match" will choose a performance from the
  >Performance Set folder and not a stationary note from the Orchestra Cube
  >folder?  If it chooses "unwisely" it could be a friggin nightmare to try and
  >find and correct the bad choice.  Are we certain here?


  How about temporarily putting the Cube folder to trash and launching 
  every instrument one by one? Will this work?

  Best,

  Andy
  -- 


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