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From: M M <strategy400@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 11:27 AM

Guess my master volume is my pick or palm on the strings. I agree with you though, less pedals on the floor is better and the CC pedals never seemed to work just right. That's why the 2 CC pedals on my FCB1010 remain unused and a volume and wah sit to the right of them.

"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:30:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Sometimes a volume pedal can be a little funky.....as far as bringing the signal in and out. Plus....I only want one pedal on the floor, the Control 1.

But I don't think we're addressing the real problem here. You guys are telling me that the "volume" (it also displays distortion on/off) after the EQ acts as a "Master Volume". On this program, this volume control does not go to zero in it's minimal setting (-16, iirc)...even using the unit's front panel. So it's obvious the pedal would only do what the main unit is telling it to do.

I appreciate all the replies! I'll keep you informed as I find out more.

Steve

--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:

From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:35 PM



Or, if you want to control volume between the analog and digital sections, you can put a volume pedal in the FX Loop. Using this configuration, the appropriate setting for the FX Loop return is "No Sum", I believe.

GP

----- Original Message -----

From: M M

To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:13 PM

Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Why not put a volume pedal before the 2101.



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:52:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Okay...thatbirngs on two problems...first off is I do want my CC-controlled master volume to be pre-fx.

2nd....if this is all about the controller.. .why does the front panel control (using actual unit buttons) not allow the program to go to absolute zero?

I think this could be a problem with this program or unit. I've found this problem though the use of the CC, but it works fine in some other programs.

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Marko Menart <okramtranem@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Marko Menart <okramtranem@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:51 PM

I think I know what is your problem.

With the "master volume" on the GSP (at the end of analog section, before FX loop) you fine tune the level of patches (lead patches usually a little louder than rhythm ones).

If you want to have a "real" volume controll you should link output levels of one of the mixers (eg. 4x12) in the digital section (after FX loop). But as you will see the problem is that when you change patch it will have the level as it was stored regardles of CC pedal position.


Best regards, Marko

From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:59:51 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

signal cabling.



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."

To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look.

The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue.
Thanks,

Steve
--- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM

What kind of cabling connections do you have?



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000 to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life!

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on".
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume.

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects.

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101?

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing.

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX.




--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:

From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM



Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section? I believe it's right after the analog EQ. The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve krall

To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter.

I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches.

Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:

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