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master volume with CC controller

master volume with CC controller

2010-05-31 by Steve krall

Hello everyone. I'm wondering how to link each patch master volume to the continuous controller. I've had MANY outboard preamps...and whenever they have a CC pedal...I've always found and used a patch master volume. In other word..I always have a volume pedal to control my overall volume....zero to max.

I can;t seem to find the 2101 master volume control. I haven't mastered it yet...and in fact am confused by the large assortment of mixing options. Some patches seem to have a volume link...but it's not totally zero volume. Almost like a submix or uncalibrated pedal...even though I have calibrated and set it to 0 min 15 max. There SHOULD be a master volume control for all patches that take it from dead nothing to full on,, no matter how many submixed stereo mixes you can dream up.


Where are they? How do I link the CC to the master volumes?
Thanks guys...I'm befuddled. First preamp EVER that I can't figure this out.

Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-05-31 by Graham Pearson

Regarding using your expression pedal to control Master Volume, here's a copy of a Help page from MIDIWizard's Help Menu:
Assigning Control of a New Parameter to an Expression Pedal
From your program’s title screen, use the [Previous] or [Next] arrow buttons and the function keys [1], [2], or [3] to select the parameter you wish to link to the expression pedal. Next, press the [Link] button. At this point, your 2101’s LED displays the message “Select a Foot Switch”. Move your expression pedal to link it to the selected parameter. Your 2101’s LED confirms the new link.
Press function key [2] and use the DATA wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full back toe-up pedal position. Press function key [3] and use the DATA wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full forward toe-down pedal position.
The default values are the parameter’s minimum and maximum values respectively. If you want to invert the effect of your expression pedal, set the “Min Value” greater than the “Max Value”.
It’s usually difficult to know what minimum and maximum values you should select at this point. After playing with the expression pedal for a while, you’ll want to change these settings. The help topic entitled “Changing Minimum and Maximum Foot Switch or Expression Pedal Settings” describes how to do this.
Press the [Link] button to exit the link menu. Remember to press the [Store] button if you wish to save your updated program.
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Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:01 PM
Subject: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Hello everyone. I'm wondering how to link each patch master volume to the continuous controller. I've had MANY outboard preamps...and whenever they have a CC pedal...I've always found and used a patch master volume. In other word..I always have a volume pedal to control my overall volume....zero to max.

I can;t seem to find the 2101 master volume control. I haven't mastered it yet...and in fact am confused by the large assortment of mixing options. Some patches seem to have a volume link...but it's not totally zero volume. Almost like a submix or uncalibrated pedal...even though I have calibrated and set it to 0 min 15 max. There SHOULD be a master volume control for all patches that take it from dead nothing to full on,, no matter how many submixed stereo mixes you can dream up.


Where are they? How do I link the CC to the master volumes?
Thanks guys...I'm befuddled. First preamp EVER that I can't figure this out.

Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-01 by Steve krall

Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter. 
 
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches. 
 
Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@...> wrote:
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From: Graham Pearson <me@...>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 7:50 PM


  




Regarding using your expression pedal to control Master Volume, here's a copy of a Help page from MIDIWizard's Help Menu:
 
Assigning Control of a New Parameter to an Expression Pedal
 
From your program’s title screen, use the [Previous] or [Next] arrow buttons and the function keys [1], [2], or [3] to select the parameter you wish to link to the expression pedal.  Next, press the [Link] button.  At this point, your 2101’s LED displays the message “Select a Foot Switch”.  Move your expression pedal to link it to the selected parameter.  Your 2101’s LED confirms the new link.
 
Press function key [2] and use the DATA wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full back toe-up pedal position.  Press function key [3] and use the DATA wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full forward toe-down pedal position.
 
The default values are the parameter’s minimum and maximum values respectively.  If you want to invert the effect of your expression pedal, set the “Min Value” greater than the “Max Value”.
 
It’s usually difficult to know what minimum and maximum values you should select at this point.  After playing with the expression pedal for a while, you’ll want to change these settings.  The help topic entitled “Changing Minimum and Maximum Foot Switch or Expression Pedal Settings” describes how to do this.
 
Press the [Link] button to exit the link menu.  Remember to press the [Store] button if you wish to save your updated program.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve krall 
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:01 PM
Subject: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  





Hello everyone. I'm wondering how to link each patch master volume to the continuous controller. I've had MANY outboard preamps...and whenever they have a CC pedal...I've always found and used a patch master volume. In other word..I always have a volume pedal to control my overall volume....zero to max. 

I can;t seem to find the 2101 master volume control. I haven't mastered it yet...and in fact am confused by the large assortment of mixing options. Some patches seem to have a volume link...but it's not totally zero volume. Almost like a submix or uncalibrated pedal...even though I have calibrated and set it to 0 min 15 max. There SHOULD be a master volume control for all patches that take it from dead nothing to full on,, no matter how many submixed stereo mixes you can dream up. 


Where are they? How do I link the CC to the master volumes?
Thanks guys...I'm befuddled. First preamp EVER that I can't figure this out.

Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-01 by Graham Pearson

Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section?  I believe it's right after the analog EQ.  The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve krall 
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller


    
        Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter. 

        I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches. 

        Steve

        --- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson.com> wrote:


          From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson.com>
          Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
          To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 7:50 PM


            
          Regarding using your expression pedal to control Master Volume, here's a copy of a Help page from MIDIWizard's Help Menu:

          Assigning Control of a New Parameter to an Expression Pedal

          From your program’s title screen, use the [Previous] or [Next] arrow buttons and the function keys [1], [2], or [3] to select the parameter you wish to link to the expression pedal.  Next, press the [Link] button.  At this point, your 2101’s LED displays the message “Select a Foot Switch”.  Move your expression pedal to link it to the selected parameter.  Your 2101’s LED confirms the new link.

          Press function key [2] and use the DATA wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full back toe-up pedal position.  Press function key [3] and use the DATA wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full forward toe-down pedal position.

          The default values are the parameter’s minimum and maximum values respectively.  If you want to invert the effect of your expression pedal, set the “Min Value” greater than the “Max Value”.

          It’s usually difficult to know what minimum and maximum values you should select at this point.  After playing with the expression pedal for a while, you’ll want to change these settings.  The help topic entitled “Changing Minimum and Maximum Foot Switch or Expression Pedal Settings” describes how to do this.

          Press the [Link] button to exit the link menu.  Remember to press the [Store] button if you wish to save your updated program.








            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Steve krall 
            To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
            Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:01 PM
            Subject: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller


              
                  Hello everyone. I'm wondering how to link each patch master volume to the continuous controller. I've had MANY outboard preamps...and whenever they have a CC pedal...I've always found and used a patch master volume. In other word..I always have a volume pedal to control my overall volume....zero to max. 

                  I can;t seem to find the 2101 master volume control. I haven't mastered it yet...and in fact am confused by the large assortment of mixing options. Some patches seem to have a volume link...but it's not totally zero volume. Almost like a submix or uncalibrated pedal...even though I have calibrated and set it to 0 min 15 max. There SHOULD be a master volume control for all patches that take it from dead nothing to full on,, no matter how many submixed stereo mixes you can dream up. 


                  Where are they? How do I link the CC to the master volumes?
                  Thanks guys...I'm befuddled. First preamp EVER that I can't figure this out.

RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-01 by M M

I'd also recommend looking at the factory algorithm diagrams in the back of the manual if the modules/mixers etc. are confusing to you. Sometimes seeing the connections visually helps. The mixers are typically used to route signal around an effect. You could maybe even pop a mixer in wherever and control it's outputs as a master.

The 2101 is a double edged sword, flexibility at the cost of complexity.

As Graham said, the volume after the EQ is what I usually consider the master. There are many other parameters that can affect overall volume though just as you would find in any series of linked effects units (pedals?). Most of the effects modules have level parameters and the mixers vary level by definition.



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
From: me@grahampearson.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 13:11:26 -0500
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller


Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section? I believe it's right after the analog EQ. The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter.
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches.
Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson.com> wrote:

From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 7:50 PM

Regarding using your expression pedal to control Master Volume, here's a copy of a Help page from MIDIWizard's Help Menu:
Assigning Control of a New Parameter to an Expression Pedal
From your program’s title screen, use the [Previous] or [Next] arrow buttons and the function keys [1], [2], or [3] to select the parameter you wish to link to the expression pedal. Next, press the [Link] button. At this point, your 2101’s LED displays the message “Select a Foot Switch”. Move your expression pedal to link it to the selected parameter. Your 2101’s LED confirms the new link.
Press function key [2] and use the DATA wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full back toe-up pedal position. Press function key [3] and use the DATA wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full forward toe-down pedal position.
The default values are the parameter’s minimum and maximum values respectively. If you want to invert the effect of your expression pedal, set the “Min Value” greater than the “Max Value”.
It’s usually difficult to know what minimum and maximum values you should select at this point. After playing with the expression pedal for a while, you’ll want to change these settings. The help topic entitled “Changing Minimum and Maximum Foot Switch or Expression Pedal Settings” describes how to do this.
Press the [Link] button to exit the link menu. Remember to press the [Store] button if you wish to save your updated program.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:01 PM
Subject: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Hello everyone. I'm wondering how to link each patch master volume to the continuous controller. I've had MANY outboard preamps...and whenever they have a CC pedal...I've always found and used a patch master volume. In other word..I always have a volume pedal to control my overall volume....zero to max.

I can;t seem to find the 2101 master volume control. I haven't mastered it yet...and in fact am confused by the large assortment of mixing options. Some patches seem to have a volume link...but it's not totally zero volume. Almost like a submix or uncalibrated pedal...even though I have calibrated and set it to 0 min 15 max. There SHOULD be a master volume control for all patches that take it from dead nothing to full on,, no matter how many submixed stereo mixes you can dream up.


Where are they? How do I link the CC to the master volumes?
Thanks guys...I'm befuddled. First preamp EVER that I can't figure this out.




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Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-02 by Steve krall

Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000  to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I've ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life! 

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on". 
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly...dead quiet to full volume. 

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working.....and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects. 

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101? 

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing. 

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX. 




--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@...> wrote:
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From: Graham Pearson <me@...>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      


Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the 
analog section?  I believe it's right after the analog EQ.  The 
advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects 
such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of 
the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital 
section.
 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Steve 
  krall 
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume 
  with CC controller
  
  
  
  
  
    
    
      
        Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find 
        "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of 
        left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter. 
        
         
        I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's 
        post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will 
        work for non-FX patches. 
         
        Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson 
        <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:

        
From: 
          Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: 
          [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: 
          gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 7:50 
          PM


            
          
          
          Regarding using your expression pedal 
          to control Master Volume, here's a copy of a Help page from 
          MIDIWizard's Help Menu:
           
          Assigning Control of a New Parameter to 
          an Expression Pedal
           
          From your program’s title screen, use 
          the [Previous] or [Next] arrow buttons and the function keys [1], [2], 
          or [3] to select the parameter you wish to link to the expression 
          pedal.  Next, press the [Link] button.  At this point, your 
          2101’s LED displays the message “Select a Foot Switch”.  Move 
          your expression pedal to link it to the selected parameter.  Your 
          2101’s LED confirms the new link.
           
          Press function key [2] and use the DATA 
          wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full back 
          toe-up pedal position.  Press function key [3] and use the DATA 
          wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full forward 
          toe-down pedal position.
           
          The default values are the parameter’s 
          minimum and maximum values respectively.  If you want to invert 
          the effect of your expression pedal, set the “Min Value” greater than 
          the “Max Value”.
           
          It’s usually difficult to know what 
          minimum and maximum values you should select at this point.  
          After playing with the expression pedal for a while, you’ll want to 
          change these settings.  The help topic entitled “Changing Minimum 
          and Maximum Foot Switch or Expression Pedal Settings” describes how to 
          do this.
           
          Press the [Link] button to exit the 
          link menu.  Remember to press the [Store] button if you wish to 
          save your updated program.
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
          
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Steve krall 
            To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup 
            s.com 
            Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:01 
            PM
            Subject: [gsp-2101] master 
            volume with CC controller
            
  
            
            
            
              
              
                Hello everyone. I'm wondering how to link each 
                  patch master volume to the continuous controller. I've had 
                  MANY outboard preamps...and whenever they have a CC 
                  pedal...I've always found and used a patch master volume. In 
                  other word..I always have a volume pedal to control my overall 
                  volume....zero to max. 

I can;t seem to find the 2101 
                  master volume control. I haven't mastered it yet...and in fact 
                  am confused by the large assortment of mixing options. Some 
                  patches seem to have a volume link...but it's not totally zero 
                  volume. Almost like a submix or uncalibrated pedal...even 
                  though I have calibrated and set it to 0 min 15 max. There 
                  SHOULD be a master volume control for all patches that take it 
                  from dead nothing to full on,, no matter how many submixed 
                  stereo mixes you can dream up. 


Where are they? How 
                  do I link the CC to the master volumes?
Thanks guys...I'm 
                  befuddled. First preamp EVER that I can't figure this out.

RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-02 by M M

What kind of cabling connections do you have?



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
From: dewdude2112@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000 to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I've ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life!

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on".
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly...dead quiet to full volume.

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working.....and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects.

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101?

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing.

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX.



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--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson.com> wrote:

From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM



Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section? I believe it's right after the analog EQ. The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter.
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches.
Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:

From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 7:50 PM

Regarding using your expression pedal to control Master Volume, here's a copy of a Help page from MIDIWizard's Help Menu:
Assigning Control of a New Parameter to an Expression Pedal
From your program’s title screen, use the [Previous] or [Next] arrow buttons and the function keys [1], [2], or [3] to select the parameter you wish to link to the expression pedal. Next, press the [Link] button. At this point, your 2101’s LED displays the message “Select a Foot Switch”. Move your expression pedal to link it to the selected parameter. Your 2101’s LED confirms the new link.
Press function key [2] and use the DATA wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full back toe-up pedal position. Press function key [3] and use the DATA wheel to specify the parameter value corresponding to the full forward toe-down pedal position.
The default values are the parameter’s minimum and maximum values respectively. If you want to invert the effect of your expression pedal, set the “Min Value” greater than the “Max Value”.
It’s usually difficult to know what minimum and maximum values you should select at this point. After playing with the expression pedal for a while, you’ll want to change these settings. The help topic entitled “Changing Minimum and Maximum Foot Switch or Expression Pedal Settings” describes how to do this.
Press the [Link] button to exit the link menu. Remember to press the [Store] button if you wish to save your updated program.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:01 PM
Subject: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Hello everyone. I'm wondering how to link each patch master volume to the continuous controller. I've had MANY outboard preamps...and whenever they have a CC pedal...I've always found and used a patch master volume. In other word..I always have a volume pedal to control my overall volume....zero to max.

I can;t seem to find the 2101 master volume control. I haven't mastered it yet...and in fact am confused by the large assortment of mixing options. Some patches seem to have a volume link...but it's not totally zero volume. Almost like a submix or uncalibrated pedal...even though I have calibrated and set it to 0 min 15 max. There SHOULD be a master volume control for all patches that take it from dead nothing to full on,, no matter how many submixed stereo mixes you can dream up.


Where are they? How do I link the CC to the master volumes?
Thanks guys...I'm befuddled. First preamp EVER that I can't figure this out.



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RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-02 by Steve krall

Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look. 
 
The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue. 
Thanks,
 
Steve
--- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@...> wrote:
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From: M M <strategy400@...>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM


  



What kind of cabling connections do you have?


 
 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."

 


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  






Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000  to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life! 

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on". 
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume. 

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects. 

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101? 

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing. 

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX. 




--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:


From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM


  

 

Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section?  I believe it's right after the analog EQ.  The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve krall 
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
  





Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter. 
 
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches. 
 
Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:

RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-02 by M M

signal cabling.



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
From: dewdude2112@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look.
The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue.
Thanks,
Steve
--- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: M M <strategy400@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM

What kind of cabling connections do you have?



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000 to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life!

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on".
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume.

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects.

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101?

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing.

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX.



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From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM


Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section? I believe it's right after the analog EQ. The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter.
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches.
Steve

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Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-03 by Marko Menart

I think I know what is your problem.

With the "master volume" on the GSP (at the end of analog section, before FX loop) you fine tune the level of patches (lead patches usually a little louder than rhythm ones).

If you want to have a "real" volume controll you should link output levels of one of the mixers (eg. 4x12) in the digital section (after FX loop).But as you will see the problem is that when you change patch it will have the level as it was stored regardles of CC pedal position.


Best regards, Marko





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Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: M M <strategy400@...>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:59:51 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  
signal cabling.


 
 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."



 

________________________________
 To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  
Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look. 
 
The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue. 
Thanks,
 
Steve
--- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com> wrote:


>From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
>Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM
>
>
>  
>What kind of cabling connections do you have?
>
>
> 
> "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."
>
> 
>________________________________
 >To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
>From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
>
>  
>Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000  to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life! 
>
>Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
>1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
>2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on". 
>3) Calibrated the Pedal
>4) Set min/max
>
>And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume. 
>
>Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects. 
>
>I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101? 
>
>I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing. 
>
>Signed,
>Desperately seeking zero volume with FX. 
>
>
>
>
>--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
>>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
>>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
>>Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM
>>
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>>  
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>>
>>Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section?  I believe it's right after the analog EQ.  The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
>> 
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: Steve krall 
>>>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
>>>  
>>>Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter. 
>>> 
>>>I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches. 
>>> 
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
> 

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Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-04 by Steve krall

Okay...thatbirngs on two problems...first off is I do want my CC-controlled master volume to be pre-fx.

 
2nd....if this is all about the controller...why does the front panel control (using actual unit buttons) not allow the program to go to absolute zero? 
 
I think this could be a problem with this program or unit. I've found this problem though the use of the CC, but it works fine in some other programs. 
 
 

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Marko Menart <okramtranem@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Marko Menart <okramtranem@...>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:51 PM


  




I think I know what is your problem.

With the "master volume" on the GSP (at the end of analog section, before FX loop) you fine tune the level of patches (lead patches usually a little louder than rhythm ones).

If you want to have a "real" volume controll you should link output levels of one of the mixers (eg. 4x12) in the digital section (after FX loop). But as you will see the problem is that when you change patch it will have the level as it was stored regardles of CC pedal position.


Best regards, Marko







From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:59:51 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  

signal cabling.


 
 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."



 


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  







Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look. 
 
The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue. 
Thanks,
 
Steve
--- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com> wrote:


From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM


  

What kind of cabling connections do you have?


 
 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."

 


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  






Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000  to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life! 

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on". 
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume. 

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects. 

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101? 

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing. 

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX. 




--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:


From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM


  

 

Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section?  I believe it's right after the analog EQ.  The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve krall 
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
  





Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter. 
 
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches. 
 
Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:




  


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

  






 








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RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-04 by M M

Why not put a volume pedal before the 2101.



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: dewdude2112@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:52:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Okay...thatbirngs on two problems...first off is I do want my CC-controlled master volume to be pre-fx.
2nd....if this is all about the controller...why does the front panel control (using actual unit buttons) not allow the program to go to absolute zero?
I think this could be a problem with this program or unit. I've found this problem though the use of the CC, but it works fine in some other programs.

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Marko Menart <okramtranem@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Marko Menart <okramtranem@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:51 PM

I think I know what is your problem.

With the "master volume" on the GSP (at the end of analog section, before FX loop) you fine tune the level of patches (lead patches usually a little louder than rhythm ones).

If you want to have a "real" volume controll you should link output levels of one of the mixers (eg. 4x12) in the digital section (after FX loop). But as you will see the problem is that when you change patch it will have the level as it was stored regardles of CC pedal position.


Best regards, Marko


From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:59:51 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

signal cabling.



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look.
The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue.
Thanks,
Steve
--- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM

What kind of cabling connections do you have?



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000 to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life!

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on".
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume.

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects.

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101?

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing.

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX.




--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:

From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM


Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section? I believe it's right after the analog EQ. The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter.
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches.
Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:










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Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-04 by Graham Pearson

Or, if you want to control volume between the analog and digital sections, you can put a volume pedal in the FX Loop.  Using this configuration, the appropriate setting for the FX Loop return is "No Sum", I believe.
GP
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: M M 
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller


    
  Why not put a volume pedal before the 2101.


   
   "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."



   



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  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
  From: dewdude2112@...
  Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:52:03 -0700
  Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

    
        Okay...thatbirngs on two problems...first off is I do want my CC-controlled master volume to be pre-fx.


        2nd....if this is all about the controller...why does the front panel control (using actual unit buttons) not allow the program to go to absolute zero? 

        I think this could be a problem with this program or unit. I've found this problem though the use of the CC, but it works fine in some other programs. 



        --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Marko Menart <okramtranem@...> wrote:


          From: Marko Menart <okramtranem@...>
          Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
          To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:51 PM


            
          I think I know what is your problem.

          With the "master volume" on the GSP (at the end of analog section, before FX loop) you fine tune the level of patches (lead patches usually a little louder than rhythm ones).

          If you want to have a "real" volume controll you should link output levels of one of the mixers (eg. 4x12) in the digital section (after FX loop). But as you will see the problem is that when you change patch it will have the level as it was stored regardles of CC pedal position.


          Best regards, Marko






----------------------------------------------------------------------
          From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
          To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
          Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:59:51 PM
          Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

            
          signal cabling.


           
           "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."



           


----------------------------------------------------------------------
          To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
          From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
          Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:46:34 -0700
          Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

            
                Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look. 

                The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue. 
                Thanks,

                Steve
                --- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com> wrote:


                  From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
                  Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
                  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
                  Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM


                    
                  What kind of cabling connections do you have?


                   
                   "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."

                   

--------------------------------------------------------------
                  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
                  From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
                  Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
                  Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

                    
                        Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000  to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life! 

                        Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
                        1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
                        2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on". 
                        3) Calibrated the Pedal
                        4) Set min/max

                        And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume. 

                        Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects. 

                        I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101? 

                        I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing. 

                        Signed,
                        Desperately seeking zero volume with FX. 




                        --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:


                          From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
                          Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
                          To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
                          Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM


                            
                           

                          Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section?  I believe it's right after the analog EQ.  The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.

                            ----- Original Message ----- 
                            From: Steve krall 
                            To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
                            Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
                            Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
                             
                                Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter. 

                                I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches. 

                                Steve

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Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-05 by Steve krall

Sometimes a volume pedal can be a little funky.....as far as bringing the signal in and out. Plus....I only want one pedal on the floor, the Control 1.  
 
But I don't think we're addressing the real problem here. You guys are telling me that the "volume" (it also displays distortion on/off) after the EQ acts as a "Master Volume". On this program, this volume control does not go to zero in it's minimal setting (-16, iirc)...even using the unit's front panel. So it's obvious the pedal would only do what the main unit is telling it to do. 
 
 
I appreciate all the replies! I'll keep you informed as I find out more. 
 
Steve

--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Graham Pearson <me@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Graham Pearson <me@...>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:35 PM


  



 
Or, if you want to control volume between the analog and digital sections, you can put a volume pedal in the FX Loop.  Using this configuration, the appropriate setting for the FX Loop return is "No Sum", I believe.
GP
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: M M 
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  

Why not put a volume pedal before the 2101.


 
 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."



 


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:52:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  







Okay...thatbirngs on two problems...first off is I do want my CC-controlled master volume to be pre-fx.

 
2nd....if this is all about the controller.. .why does the front panel control (using actual unit buttons) not allow the program to go to absolute zero? 
 
I think this could be a problem with this program or unit. I've found this problem though the use of the CC, but it works fine in some other programs. 
 
 

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Marko Menart <okramtranem@ yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Marko Menart <okramtranem@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:51 PM


  


I think I know what is your problem.

With the "master volume" on the GSP (at the end of analog section, before FX loop) you fine tune the level of patches (lead patches usually a little louder than rhythm ones).

If you want to have a "real" volume controll you should link output levels of one of the mixers (eg. 4x12) in the digital section (after FX loop). But as you will see the problem is that when you change patch it will have the level as it was stored regardles of CC pedal position.


Best regards, Marko







From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:59:51 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  

signal cabling.


 
 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."



 


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  







Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look. 
 
The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue. 
Thanks,
 
Steve
--- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com> wrote:


From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM


  

What kind of cabling connections do you have?


 
 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."

 


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  






Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000  to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life! 

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on". 
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume. 

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects. 

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101? 

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing. 

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX. 




--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:


From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM


  

 

Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section?  I believe it's right after the analog EQ.  The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve krall 
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller






Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter. 
 
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches. 
 
Steve

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RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-05 by M M

Guess my master volume is my pick or palm on the strings. I agree with you though, less pedals on the floor is better and the CC pedals never seemed to work just right. That's why the 2 CC pedals on my FCB1010 remain unused and a volume and wah sit to the right of them.

"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: dewdude2112@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:30:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Sometimes a volume pedal can be a little funky.....as far as bringing the signal in and out. Plus....I only want one pedal on the floor, the Control 1.
But I don't think we're addressing the real problem here. You guys are telling me that the "volume" (it also displays distortion on/off) after the EQ acts as a "Master Volume". On this program, this volume control does not go to zero in it's minimal setting (-16, iirc)...even using the unit's front panel. So it's obvious the pedal would only do what the main unit is telling it to do.
I appreciate all the replies! I'll keep you informed as I find out more.
Steve

--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson.com> wrote:

From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:35 PM


Or, if you want to control volume between the analog and digital sections, you can put a volume pedal in the FX Loop. Using this configuration, the appropriate setting for the FX Loop return is "No Sum", I believe.
GP
----- Original Message -----
From: M M
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Why not put a volume pedal before the 2101.



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:52:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Okay...thatbirngs on two problems...first off is I do want my CC-controlled master volume to be pre-fx.
2nd....if this is all about the controller.. .why does the front panel control (using actual unit buttons) not allow the program to go to absolute zero?
I think this could be a problem with this program or unit. I've found this problem though the use of the CC, but it works fine in some other programs.

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Marko Menart <okramtranem@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Marko Menart <okramtranem@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:51 PM

I think I know what is your problem.

With the "master volume" on the GSP (at the end of analog section, before FX loop) you fine tune the level of patches (lead patches usually a little louder than rhythm ones).

If you want to have a "real" volume controll you should link output levels of one of the mixers (eg. 4x12) in the digital section (after FX loop). But as you will see the problem is that when you change patch it will have the level as it was stored regardles of CC pedal position.


Best regards, Marko


From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:59:51 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

signal cabling.



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look.
The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue.
Thanks,
Steve
--- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM

What kind of cabling connections do you have?



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000 to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life!

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on".
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume.

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects.

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101?

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing.

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX.




--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:

From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM


Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section? I believe it's right after the analog EQ. The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter.
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches.
Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:










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RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-05 by Steve krall

Oh trust me...I use pick attack and guitar vol/tone controls...but these are just techniques for tone and texture....and yes some volume...but they don't not work as a volume pedal does like say Alex Lifeson does at the beginning if "Xanadu", for violin like effects. Steve Morse often uses the guitar volume VERY effectively. I am more consistant and effective with a pedal. 
 
As I told you...the CC on my control one works great with other prgrams...I don;t believe it is faulty...so far....it's only this one prgram I am having trouble with. *IT* could be the fault, not the pedal. I am working on linking other programs to the pedal to confirm. 
 
 


--- On Sat, 6/5/10, M M <strategy400@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: M M <strategy400@...>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 11:27 AM


  



Guess my master volume is my pick or palm on the strings. I agree with you though, less pedals on the floor is better and the CC pedals never seemed to work just right. That's why the 2 CC pedals on my FCB1010 remain unused and a volume and wah sit to the right of them.

 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."



 


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:30:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  







Sometimes a volume pedal can be a little funky.....as far as bringing the signal in and out. Plus....I only want one pedal on the floor, the Control 1.  
 
But I don't think we're addressing the real problem here. You guys are telling me that the "volume" (it also displays distortion on/off) after the EQ acts as a "Master Volume". On this program, this volume control does not go to zero in it's minimal setting (-16, iirc)...even using the unit's front panel. So it's obvious the pedal would only do what the main unit is telling it to do. 
 
 
I appreciate all the replies! I'll keep you informed as I find out more. 
 
Steve

--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:


From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:35 PM


  

 
Or, if you want to control volume between the analog and digital sections, you can put a volume pedal in the FX Loop.  Using this configuration, the appropriate setting for the FX Loop return is "No Sum", I believe.
GP
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: M M 
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  

Why not put a volume pedal before the 2101.


 
 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."



 


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:52:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  







Okay...thatbirngs on two problems...first off is I do want my CC-controlled master volume to be pre-fx.

 
2nd....if this is all about the controller.. .why does the front panel control (using actual unit buttons) not allow the program to go to absolute zero? 
 
I think this could be a problem with this program or unit. I've found this problem though the use of the CC, but it works fine in some other programs. 
 
 

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Marko Menart <okramtranem@ yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Marko Menart <okramtranem@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:51 PM


  


I think I know what is your problem.

With the "master volume" on the GSP (at the end of analog section, before FX loop) you fine tune the level of patches (lead patches usually a little louder than rhythm ones).

If you want to have a "real" volume controll you should link output levels of one of the mixers (eg. 4x12) in the digital section (after FX loop). But as you will see the problem is that when you change patch it will have the level as it was stored regardles of CC pedal position.


Best regards, Marko







From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:59:51 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  

signal cabling.


 
 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."



 


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  







Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look. 
 
The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue. 
Thanks,
 
Steve
--- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com> wrote:


From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM


  

What kind of cabling connections do you have?


 
 "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."

 


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

  






Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000  to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life! 

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on". 
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume. 

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects. 

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101? 

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing. 

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX. 




--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:


From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM


  

 

Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section?  I believe it's right after the analog EQ.  The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve krall 
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller






Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter. 
 
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches. 
 
Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:




  


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

  






 








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RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

2010-06-06 by M M

Maybe do a dump and factory reset and try to recreate the program from scratch. I've had patches go corrupt.



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To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: dewdude2112@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:16:15 -0700
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Oh trust me...I use pick attack and guitar vol/tone controls...but these are just techniques for tone and texture....and yes some volume...but they don't not work as a volume pedal does like say Alex Lifeson does at the beginning if "Xanadu", for violin like effects. Steve Morse often uses the guitar volume VERY effectively. I am more consistant and effective with a pedal.
As I told you...the CC on my control one works great with other prgrams...I don;t believe it is faulty...so far....it's only this one prgram I am having trouble with. *IT* could be the fault, not the pedal. I am working on linking other programs to the pedal to confirm.


--- On Sat, 6/5/10, M M <strategy400@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: M M <strategy400@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 11:27 AM

Guess my master volume is my pick or palm on the strings. I agree with you though, less pedals on the floor is better and the CC pedals never seemed to work just right. That's why the 2 CC pedals on my FCB1010 remain unused and a volume and wah sit to the right of them.

"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:30:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Sometimes a volume pedal can be a little funky.....as far as bringing the signal in and out. Plus....I only want one pedal on the floor, the Control 1.
But I don't think we're addressing the real problem here. You guys are telling me that the "volume" (it also displays distortion on/off) after the EQ acts as a "Master Volume". On this program, this volume control does not go to zero in it's minimal setting (-16, iirc)...even using the unit's front panel. So it's obvious the pedal would only do what the main unit is telling it to do.
I appreciate all the replies! I'll keep you informed as I find out more.
Steve

--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:

From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:35 PM


Or, if you want to control volume between the analog and digital sections, you can put a volume pedal in the FX Loop. Using this configuration, the appropriate setting for the FX Loop return is "No Sum", I believe.
GP
----- Original Message -----
From: M M
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Why not put a volume pedal before the 2101.



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:52:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Okay...thatbirngs on two problems...first off is I do want my CC-controlled master volume to be pre-fx.
2nd....if this is all about the controller.. .why does the front panel control (using actual unit buttons) not allow the program to go to absolute zero?
I think this could be a problem with this program or unit. I've found this problem though the use of the CC, but it works fine in some other programs.

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Marko Menart <okramtranem@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Marko Menart <okramtranem@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:51 PM

I think I know what is your problem.

With the "master volume" on the GSP (at the end of analog section, before FX loop) you fine tune the level of patches (lead patches usually a little louder than rhythm ones).

If you want to have a "real" volume controll you should link output levels of one of the mixers (eg. 4x12) in the digital section (after FX loop). But as you will see the problem is that when you change patch it will have the level as it was stored regardles of CC pedal position.


Best regards, Marko


From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:59:51 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

signal cabling.



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."




To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Are you talking about the midi cable? 5 or 7 pin? I'm not sure I'll have to look.
The part that concerns me is that even from the front panel controls, I can't get that program to go to zero. I'll just have to spend some more time with it....hope it's not some full reset issue.
Thanks,
Steve
--- On Wed, 6/2/10, M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com> wrote:

From: M M <strategy400@ hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:09 AM

What kind of cabling connections do you have?



"Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely."


To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
From: dewdude2112@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:34:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller

Yes...GP...I have tried that parameter. I have to tell ya'll...I've been using preamps for 25 years. Yes...the 2101 is a bit different with it's multiple mixer options, but from The Chain Reaction I bought new in 1986-7, to the GSP-21 Pro, to the RP-2000 to Rocktron Voodu Valve to Vox Tonelab SE, and several others....I' ve ALWAYS found a "master volume". And I DEPEND on it with my life!

Now...after exploring on my own a bit, I have:
1) Selected a program (Distortion + delay)
2) Assigned the CC to Post EQ Master Volume distortion "on".
3) Calibrated the Pedal
4) Set min/max

And under this program...I still have volume in the minimal setting. With the above operations, I have reduced it...but it's still there...still audible as if on "1/2" or "1" on a typical guitar amp master volume. I would conclude that there is some sort of leakage or fault in the pedal or midi. . But under a different program...no fx....CC works perfectly... dead quiet to full volume.

Now I can only conclude that with effects, the signal is somehow being routed away from this "Master Volume" parameter. As you can see...it's very frustrating. I appreciate the "how to link a parameter to cc" message...but I am FAR beyond that. The volume link to CC is working..... and the best I can see at this point is it is working without effects...and not working so well with effects.

I should add...that even with the 2101 front control panel...the master volume does not make the volume go to dead quiet. Faulty 2101?

I will continue to beat this issue over the head.....but I need some REAL help here! There has to be something I am missing.

Signed,
Desperately seeking zero volume with FX.




--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:

From: Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:11 PM


Have you tried using the Volume at the end of the analog section? I believe it's right after the analog EQ. The advantage of using this Volume control is that it allows any digital effects such as reverb or echo to trail away even though you've reduced the volume of the signal being sent from the analog section to the digital section.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] master volume with CC controller
Hey thanks! I have the manual.....my problem is I can't find "MASTER VOLUME" to assign the pedal to. Some patches have a TON of left/right mixes...but there's no clear cut "mater Volume parameter.
I did find one patch that has a complete volume control...but it's post effects. I'll try to find what parameter they assigned...that will work for non-FX patches.
Steve

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Graham Pearson <me@grahampearson. com> wrote:










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