Hi again, The outputs of Nobels MS4 are simple latching sockets that can be connected to amp's footswitch sockets and replace standard amp's footswitch. Therefore you can control non-midi amp via MIDI commands. You can also connect and control some devices that has 1/4" jack socket that can be used to control the unit but I've never seen guitar effect with bypass remote socket. The list: 'Reverb On/Off, Channel Select, Bypass refers to amp's functions - bypass means a bypass of amp's FX loop. The unit to be a 'bypassing' looper has to have input, output and send +return for every loop/connected device that you need to control individually. Nobels has just 4 1/4" jack sockets activated via MIDI. All the best, Filip Wyrwa www.youtube.com/twelvemoonsofficial Sent from iPhone Dnia 22 Jul 2010 o godz. 18:05 "Steven Vachon" <prometh@...> napisał(a): > Hmm, well the website says this: > > Extremely easy operation. With the MS-4 up to four conventional > switch functions (like Reverb On/Off, Channel Select, Bypass, etc. > > and the manual mentions this: > > There are still a lot of units (Amplifiers, footpedals...) which are > not able to be switched by Midi. > > --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, Filip Wyrwa <goddardfil@...> wrote: > > > > Nobels MS4 unit isn't a looper - it can be used to switch amp's > channels or > > remote control over the units that has 1/4" remote control jack. > You cannot > > connect to it effects and bypass them... WOBO allows both > bypassing effects > > and channel switching, it has three sections with their own inputs > and > > outputs that allows free routing of the connected effects. > > > > In GSP2101 Program Change sent are set and refer to the program > number - > > program 1-PC0, program 10-PC9, program 99-PC98. If you need > different PC > > messages in a single bank then you would have to put different > programs into > > single bank. But if you have programmable MIDI device then you can > set it to > > react to the received PC message in bank 1 - from 0-9, bank 2 - > 10-19, etc. > > > > Cheers, > > Filip > > > > 2010/7/22 M M strategy400@... > > > > > > > > > > > Nah... you can use the cheaper one if you use a cable stretcher. > > > > > > > > > "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com > > > From: prometh@... > > > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:39:55 +0000 > > > > > > Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: Use GSP2101 to control Boss/etc pedals? > > > > > > > > > Hmm, so to clarify, 0-127 messages do not refer to GSP-2101 > programs, but > > > instead button numbers. If so, that's great news! > > > > > > Also, the WOBO Looper4 costs $100 more than the Nobels MS-4. Is > it really > > > worth the extra dough? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, "goddardfil@" goddardfil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi again. > > > > > > > > Control One via GSP 2101 sends MIDI Program Change messages > (from 0-127 > > > > - footswitch no.1-0, 2-1, etc.). WOBO MIDI Looper or MIDI > Looper4 (if > > > > you want to control more effects than one/set of them) can be > programmed > > > > to act to a certain PC message according to your need. So for > e.g. if > > > > you press footswitch no.5 on Control One then at the MIDI Thru > output of > > > > the GSP2101 there will be Program Change message no. 4. On > MIDI Looper's > > > > LED display will be shown received Program Change number and > all you > > > > need to do is simply to set the state of the loops according > to what you > > > > need when you engage this particular footswitch on Control > One. It is > > > > automatically stored in MIDI Looper's memory. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Filip > > > > > > > > www.youtube.com/twelvemoonsofficial > > > > > > > > Steven Vachon pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for explaining more of what MM meant. I understand > that all > > > > > pedals will need to remain on and the switcher would just > bypass them > > > > > when they aren't needed; but what I really do not know is, > *will such > > > > > a MIDI switcher understand GSP-2101 /parameter/ toggles*? > I'd like for > > > > > /one/ button on the Control One to disable GSP-2101 > distortion, bypass > > > > > my overdrive pedal and engage my acoustic simulator pedal > all at the > > > > > same time. And, of course, vice versa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My overdrive pedal is placed before my GSP-2101. The FX loop > goes out > > > > > to a power amp, an isocab with 2 mics hooked up to a > multitrack and > > > > > from there back to the FX return. This brings power tube > saturation > > > > > into the mix and preserves digital effects for recording (as > opposed > > > > > to mic'ing the final output and losing detail). From there, > the > > > > > GSP-2101 outputs to the multitrack and from there, out to > the house > > > > > mixer and to solid state power for monitors and cabs. My live > > > > > recordings can be achieved the same as a studio recording > (minus all > > > > > the takes). However, to this day, I have not yet done a live > gig nor > > > > > /finished/ an album; I'm simply a hobbyist who's planning in > advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, Hari Floura <scorpio65@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, now, MM some of us just take a little longer to get > there, > > > > > deep breath and > > > > > > count to 10 , and think nice thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve the Midi looper seems to be the solution you are > looking for, > > > > > is what MM > > > > > > is trying to say  . This should meet your needs by allowi > ng you to > > > > > bring your > > > > > > pedals in and out via midi. However, you will not be able > to switch > > > > > them on and > > > > > > off individually as they have no 'automated' way to be > triggered. > > > > > That is they > > > > > > will have to left in the 'on position' and using the > looper you can > > > > > bring them > > > > > > into or out of your fx chain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as where in your chain you insert them, I guess you > could > > > > > either put them > > > > > > in the existing 2101 fx loop or your amp fx loop (if it > has one) via > > > > > the midi > > > > > > looper or alternatively before the 2101 although I have > never tried > > > > > that. I am > > > > > > sure the more experienced members of the forum may be able > to point > > > > > you in the > > > > > > right direction there if you need it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps  clarify things > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of pure interest, can you elaborate why you using you > r fx loop > > > > > for the power > > > > > > amp and mikes? I'm strictly a hobby guitarist (or, as as > the more > > > > > accomplished > > > > > > musicians might say more money then talent ) and am > intrigued by > > > > > this set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: M M strategy400@ > > > > > > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 11:48:01 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Re: Use GSP2101 to control Boss/ > etc pedals? > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Commencing facepalm.. > > > > > >  > > > > > >  "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirel > y." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com > > > > > > From: prometh@gmail. com > > > > > > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:26:54 +0000 > > > > > > Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: Use GSP2101 to control Boss/etc > pedals? > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > The whole point is to not have to use my foot more than > once. I need > > > > > the ability > > > > > > to change patches and have the appropriate pedal engaged/ > bypassed. > > > > > Besides, I'm > > > > > > already using the 2101's fx loop for my power amp and mics. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com, M M <strategy400@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that we know what we are dealing with (the zakk > wylde pedal > > > > > and acoustic > > > > > > >simulator?), I don't see any other type of 'switching' > interface on > > > > > those pedals > > > > > > >other than your big toe on the pedal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are probably looking for a midi controlled effects > > > > > loop(s)(er), not a midi > > > > > > >controlled switcher (as per Filip's post). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A midi effects loop system would probably be a great > investment. > > > > > You can use > > > > > > >the 2101's built in effects loop (only one loop). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore > entirely." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com > > > > > > > From: prometh@ > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:58:45 +0000 > > > > > > > Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: Use GSP2101 to control Boss/etc > pedals? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GSP2101, Control One, MXR ZW44, Boss AC3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Nobels MIDI switcher is rather large, but if that's > all that's > > > > > available, > > > > > > >then I guess I'm stuck with that and will have to move > these pedals > > > > > to a rack > > > > > > >shelf. I only have so much room on my Furman SBP-8C > pedalboard, so > > > > > the Behringer > > > > > > >won't fit along with my wah and whammy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com, M M <strategy400@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you give a make and model of the pedal you are > trying to > > > > > switch? It's > > > > > > >still not clear what interfaces you are working with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore > entirely." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com > > > > > > > > From: prometh@ > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:58:34 +0000 > > > > > > > > Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: Use GSP2101 to control Boss/ > etc pedals? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would this work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.lehle. com/products/ MidiJunction/ index.php? > > > > > country=us&lang=en > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com, "Steven Vachon" > <prometh@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you guys happen to know of a 1-channel (or > single loop) > > > > > MIDI > > > > > > >switcher? All the ones I'm finding are much more > elaborate than > > > > > what I need, and > > > > > > >as a result cost a lot more than I'm willing to spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com, M M <strategy400@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll recommend an FCB1010 too. It's what I use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have an A/B pedal that can be switched via > the FCB's > > > > > amp switching > > > > > > >capabilities and use it to bring different wireless > systems in and > > > > > out so I can > > > > > > >switch between my guitar's dual jacks (piezo and > magnetic) with my > > > > > feet while > > > > > > >simultaneously changing midi programs on my 2101. In this > way I can > > > > > do a single > > > > > > >pedal press to seamlessly switch from distorted to > acoustic sounds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are just trying to bring a distortion pedal > that is > > > > > always on in > > > > > > >and out of the signal chain you can use the 2101's > effects loop for > > > > > that, with > > > > > > >some minor configuration changes to the programs using > it. I do > > > > > this with a > > > > > > >flanger pedal with decent results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore > entirely." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com > > > > > > > > > > From: scorpio65@ > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:37:45 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: Use GSP2101 to control > Boss/etc > > > > > pedals? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you need is a Midi Switcher, suggest you do > do a search > > > > > on Musicians > > > > > > >Friend or Sam Ash site for more info. Typical Midi > Switchers can > > > > > control several > > > > > > >devices and can be pricey. Since you only need to control > one > > > > > pedal, you may > > > > > > >want to consider replacing the foot controller with a > Behringer FCB > > > > > 1010 which > > > > > > >has this option already integrated into it (and is fairly > low cost). > > > > > > >Unfortunately you will need to acquaint yourself with > MIDI to be > > > > > able to set > > > > > > >everything up. Speaking from experience it can be > frustrating > > > > > because of poorly > > > > > > >written manuals, but not impossible (thanks to google :) ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Steven Vachon <prometh@> > > > > > > > > > > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 8:29:53 AM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: Use GSP2101 to control > Boss/etc > > > pedals? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already stated that I don't know if such an > interface even > > > > > exists. I've > > > > > > >read through the manual, but I don't fully understand > MIDI itself > > > > > yet, so the > > > > > > >manual kinda goes over my head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Figured I'd ask here if anyone's done this yet, > but I guess > > > > > that was > > > > > > >wrong? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com, M M > <strategy400@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You failed to describe the type of interface > that allows > > > > > your overdrive > > > > > > >pedal to be bypass/engage( d). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, the manual for the 2101 is quite good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore > entirely." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com > > > > > > > > > > > From: prometh@ > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:06:16 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [gsp-2101] Use GSP2101 to control Boss/ > etc pedals? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically, when I switch off the distortion via > a button > > > > > on the Control > > > > > > >One, I'd like for some kind of device connected to the > GSP2101 in > > > > > MIDI-Thru to > > > > > > >bypass/engage my overdrive pedal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, does such a device exist? Would it be able to > > > > > understand the sysex > > > > > > >messages? Since I'm not entirely educated on MIDI, I > haven't had > > > > > much luck > > > > > > >investigating this myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ > > > > > _________ _ > > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the > New Busy. > > > > > Get more from > > > > > > >your inbox. > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.windowsl ive.com/campaign /thenewbusy? > > > > > ocid=PID28326: > > > > > > >:T:WLMTAGL: ON:WL:en- US:WM_HMP: 042010_2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > > > _________ _ > > > > > > > > > > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your > e-mail > > > > > accounts with > > > > > > >Hotmail. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.windowsl ive.com/campaign /thenewbusy? > > > > > tile=multiaccoun > > > > > > >t&ocid=PID28326: :T:WLMTAGL: ON:WL:en- US:WM_HMP: 042010_4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ _ > > > > > > > > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e- > mail > > > > > accounts with > > > > > > >Hotmail. > > > > > > > > http://www.windowsl ive.com/campaign /thenewbusy? > > > tile=multiaccoun > > > > > > >t&ocid=PID28326: :T:WLMTAGL: ON:WL:en- US:WM_HMP: 042010_4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ _ > > > > > > > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. 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Re: [gsp-2101] Re: Use GSP2101 to control Boss/etc pedals?
2010-07-22 by goddardfil@gmail.com