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Broken chord mode

Broken chord mode

2008-01-30 by korgpolyex800

Hi Poly fans,

Well I discovered that I've broken Chord mode the second time - DOH! I
am going to try to fix it but if I run into real problems trying to do
that then I was thinking about rewriting it completely. One of the
problems with Portamento mode is that it is mono but if I was to
rewrite chord mode I could make Portamento mode into a Chord
Portamento mode. Kind of a Poly portamento. And while I was doing
that, I would also learn tonic chord math and add the ability to
select the key and type of chords to play. I think this would make
chord mode much more useful than it currently is.

What does everybody think about that?

Mike.

Update on Broken chord mode

2008-01-31 by korgpolyex800

Well, I guess I must be talking at the void.

Anywho, I went back to many previous versions of my code and was still
not able to recreate the original chord mode. I'm not even sure I know
what the original sounded like anymore. The bottom line is that chord
mode seems so completely broken that I think I'm going to go very
quiet for a while as I need to fix chord mode. Since I never liked the
chord mode being tonic deaf, I am going to have a long look at
rewriting it from scratch. This is going to put my delivery date for
the kit back some weeks. I apologize to all of you for the delay. I do
assure you that this kit is not vaporware. It is real and when I do
finally release the kit I think you will all be very happy with the
results. I just don't want to release a buggy kit.

I am going to go quiet for a couple of weeks while I work out Chord mode.

Mike.


--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "korgpolyex800" <korgpolyex800@...>
wrote:
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>
> Hi Poly fans,
> 
> Well I discovered that I've broken Chord mode the second time - DOH! I
> am going to try to fix it but if I run into real problems trying to do
> that then I was thinking about rewriting it completely. One of the
> problems with Portamento mode is that it is mono but if I was to
> rewrite chord mode I could make Portamento mode into a Chord
> Portamento mode. Kind of a Poly portamento. And while I was doing
> that, I would also learn tonic chord math and add the ability to
> select the key and type of chords to play. I think this would make
> chord mode much more useful than it currently is.
> 
> What does everybody think about that?
> 
> Mike.
>

Re: [korgpolyex] Update on Broken chord mode

2008-01-31 by jure zitnik

i'm right here, reading your every post.

too bad about the chord mode. personally, i really don't care for it,
but i imagine some do... so, good luck!
btw, i don't know what's tonic chord math :)

cheers,
jure
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On Jan 31, 2008 3:40 AM, korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I guess I must be talking at the void.
>
>  Anywho, I went back to many previous versions of my code and was still
>  not able to recreate the original chord mode. I'm not even sure I know
>  what the original sounded like anymore. The bottom line is that chord
>  mode seems so completely broken that I think I'm going to go very
>  quiet for a while as I need to fix chord mode. Since I never liked the
>  chord mode being tonic deaf, I am going to have a long look at
>  rewriting it from scratch. This is going to put my delivery date for
>  the kit back some weeks. I apologize to all of you for the delay. I do
>  assure you that this kit is not vaporware. It is real and when I do
>  finally release the kit I think you will all be very happy with the
>  results. I just don't want to release a buggy kit.
>
>  I am going to go quiet for a couple of weeks while I work out Chord mode.
>
>  Mike.
>
>  --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "korgpolyex800" <korgpolyex800@...>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Hi Poly fans,
>  >
>  > Well I discovered that I've broken Chord mode the second time - DOH! I
>  > am going to try to fix it but if I run into real problems trying to do
>  > that then I was thinking about rewriting it completely. One of the
>  > problems with Portamento mode is that it is mono but if I was to
>  > rewrite chord mode I could make Portamento mode into a Chord
>  > Portamento mode. Kind of a Poly portamento. And while I was doing
>  > that, I would also learn tonic chord math and add the ability to
>  > select the key and type of chords to play. I think this would make
>  > chord mode much more useful than it currently is.
>  >
>  > What does everybody think about that?
>  >
>  > Mike.
>  >
>
>

Re: [korgpolyex] Update on Broken chord mode

2008-01-31 by Neil Wakeling

Hi Mike,

Keep going - you're a star!

I've never used chord mode, althpugh I would imagine you could use it for a big fat unison sound. I think your ideas for changing chord mode would make it more useful, but best get feedback from those that do use chord mode, i guess? (I know one guy posted a while back saying he did use it).

I'd love to see a switchable mono / poly portamento (do we have enough switches and selectors for all this?).

Anyway, please make sure that my name is added to the list!

Best Wishes
Neil


korgpolyex800 wrote:
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Well, I guess I must be talking at the void.

Anywho, I went back to many previous versions of my code and was still
not able to recreate the original chord mode. I'm not even sure I know
what the original sounded like anymore. The bottom line is that chord
mode seems so completely broken that I think I'm going to go very
quiet for a while as I need to fix chord mode. Since I never liked the
chord mode being tonic deaf, I am going to have a long look at
rewriting it from scratch. This is going to put my delivery date for
the kit back some weeks. I apologize to all of you for the delay. I do
assure you that this kit is not vaporware. It is real and when I do
finally release the kit I think you will all be very happy with the
results. I just don't want to release a buggy kit.

I am going to go quiet for a couple of weeks while I work out Chord mode.

Mike.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "korgpolyex800" ...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Poly fans,
>
> Well I discovered that I've broken Chord mode the second time - DOH! I
> am going to try to fix it but if I run into real problems trying to do
> that then I was thinking about rewriting it completely. One of the
> problems with Portamento mode is that it is mono but if I was to
> rewrite chord mode I could make Portamento mode into a Chord
> Portamento mode. Kind of a Poly portamento. And while I was doing
> that, I would also learn tonic chord math and add the ability to
> select the key and type of chords to play. I think this would make
> chord mode much more useful than it currently is.
>
> What does everybody think about that?
>
> Mike.

Re: [korgpolyex] Update on Broken chord mode

2008-01-31 by David Mochen

Hi Mike
Always reading every post of yours; not always having something useful to reply. Good luck with chord mode -- not one of my biggest priorities but nice to set up in fifths and play power chords while tweaking cutoff and reso.
thnx
dave
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Subject: [korgpolyex] Update on Broken chord mode

Well, I guess I must be talking at the void.

Anywho, I went back to many previous versions of my code and was still
not able to recreate the original chord mode. I'm not even sure I know
what the original sounded like anymore. The bottom line is that chord
mode seems so completely broken that I think I'm going to go very
quiet for a while as I need to fix chord mode. Since I never liked the
chord mode being tonic deaf, I am going to have a long look at
rewriting it from scratch. This is going to put my delivery date for
the kit back some weeks. I apologize to all of you for the delay. I do
assure you that this kit is not vaporware. It is real and when I do
finally release the kit I think you will all be very happy with the
results. I just don't want to release a buggy kit.

I am going to go quiet for a couple of weeks while I work out Chord mode.

Mike.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "korgpolyex800" ...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Poly fans,
>
> Well I discovered that I've broken Chord mode the second time - DOH! I
> am going to try to fix it but if I run into real problems trying to do
> that then I was thinking about rewriting it completely. One of the
> problems with Portamento mode is that it is mono but if I was to
> rewrite chord mode I could make Portamento mode into a Chord
> Portamento mode. Kind of a Poly portamento. And while I was doing
> that, I would also learn tonic chord math and add the ability to
> select the key and type of chords to play. I think this would make
> chord mode much more useful than it currently is.
>
> What does everybody think about that?
>
> Mike.
>

Re: Update on Broken chord mode

2008-01-31 by Russ

I use chord mode all the time. I guess programming in chord recognition may be nice, but how would it disaplay the chord? I like how it works now. I mostly use it to make unison sounds. Or sometimes I'll stack a bunch of thirds and sixths for a moody kind of b horror flick sound.

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Re: Update on Broken chord mode

2008-01-31 by korgpolyex800

Russ,

Well, I am going to try a little harder to fix the chord mode because
I really do think that I should keep all of the original behavior of
the Poly. So don't worry Russ, I'll keep at it until I get it working
again.

Mike.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Russ <russdaren@...> wrote:
>
> I use chord mode all the time. I guess programming in chord
recognition may be nice, but how would it disaplay the chord? I like
how it works now. I mostly use it to make unison sounds. Or sometimes
I'll stack a bunch of thirds and sixths for a moody kind of b horror
flick sound. 
> 
>        
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 
Try it now.
>

You're not going to believe this but...

2008-02-01 by korgpolyex800

Chord mode works again!

Last night, while I was pouring over the code trying to work out how I
broke Chord mode. My elder son was playing the Poly 800, and since he
is only just learning music synthesis principles he tends to press a
lot of buttons (often in frustration) as he doesn't understand all of
the parameters yet. So while he was playing around with the keyboard,
all of a sudden it starts playing chords the way it normally would. I
said "how did you do that?", he had no idea. So I shoo-ed him off
(nicely) and had a look at it and incredibly, I have actually
introduced a bug that improves chord mode by doing exactly what I had
wanted it to do.

The "NEW" chord mode plays chords according to how you set the chord
up in hold mode. So you select hold mode and then play a chord. Then
switch to chord mode and it plays chords exactly as you set the
progression up while in hold mode. This means you can now play, major,
minor, diminished etc chords all up and down the keyboard.

Now, the question is how did this happen? The answer is reasonably
simple. The initialization code for chord mode has become damaged
whereby it does not set up the initial chord progression. But this is
all good because i) I now know where to look for the bug and ii) I now
know that hold and chord mode use the same memory for playing and
storing notes. Which means that through this bug and with my sons
help, we are back on track again and we got a new cool feature as
well. And finally, I have a good idea of where to look to fix the
initialization. Something which we'll provide a parameter for us to
turn on or off. So that you get old chord mode and you get the new if
you wish too.

I now you return you back to normal programming.

Mike.

Re: [korgpolyex] You're not going to believe this but...

2008-02-01 by Neil Wakeling

Thank you, serendipity...

I'd rather have Mike's programming than "normal", anyday!

Best wishes
Neil

korgpolyex800 wrote:
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Chord mode works again!

Last night, while I was pouring over the code trying to work out how I
broke Chord mode. My elder son was playing the Poly 800, and since he
is only just learning music synthesis principles he tends to press a
lot of buttons (often in frustration) as he doesn't understand all of
the parameters yet. So while he was playing around with the keyboard,
all of a sudden it starts playing chords the way it normally would. I
said "how did you do that?", he had no idea. So I shoo-ed him off
(nicely) and had a look at it and incredibly, I have actually
introduced a bug that improves chord mode by doing exactly what I had
wanted it to do.

The "NEW" chord mode plays chords according to how you set the chord
up in hold mode. So you select hold mode and then play a chord. Then
switch to chord mode and it plays chords exactly as you set the
progression up while in hold mode. This means you can now play, major,
minor, diminished etc chords all up and down the keyboard.

Now, the question is how did this happen? The answer is reasonably
simple. The initialization code for chord mode has become damaged
whereby it does not set up the initial chord progression. But this is
all good because i) I now know where to look for the bug and ii) I now
know that hold and chord mode use the same memory for playing and
storing notes. Which means that through this bug and with my sons
help, we are back on track again and we got a new cool feature as
well. And finally, I have a good idea of where to look to fix the
initialization. Something which we'll provide a parameter for us to
turn on or off. So that you get old chord mode and you get the new if
you wish too.

I now you return you back to normal programming.

Mike.

Re: You're not going to believe this but...

2008-02-01 by satnom2000

Hi Mike

I follow the evolution of your work, keep on going.
I'm not shure that I understand what happens with the chords mode, 
but what you refer as the new chord mode:

> The "NEW" chord mode plays chords according to how you set the chord
> up in hold mode. So you select hold mode and then play a chord. Then
> switch to chord mode and it plays chords exactly as you set the
> progression up while in hold mode. This means you can now play, major,
> minor, diminished etc chords all up and down the keyboard.

It is for me exactly the same as how it works on my Poly.  I used it a
lot and I love it.  I do a chord in the hold mode and then I go back
to the chords mode (labeled chord memory) and I can play that chord
with a finger in every key, so ?  Is this what do you talking about ?

Thanks
Bernard

The new chord mode

2008-02-01 by korgpolyex800

Bernard,

In the new chord mode, you first select hold mode, then play a chord,
say "C,E,G". Then select Chord mode. Now press C and it plays C,G,E.
Press D and it plays D,F,A. But if you go back to hold mode and hit
chord C,F,G then go back to chord mode and hit C will play C,F,G then
hit D and it plays D,G,A and so on.

In other words, you use hold mode to determine the chord and then back
in chord mode you hit keys to progress the chord through the range of
the keyboard. I need to test if you can hit up to four (in double) or
eight (in single) notes in hold mode and chord mode will play that
chord. It certainly does four notes in double mode, I just didn't test
single mode.

Does that make chord mode more useful?

Mike.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "satnom2000" <satnomb@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi Mike
> 
> I follow the evolution of your work, keep on going.
> I'm not shure that I understand what happens with the chords mode, 
> but what you refer as the new chord mode:
> 
> > The "NEW" chord mode plays chords according to how you set the chord
> > up in hold mode. So you select hold mode and then play a chord. Then
> > switch to chord mode and it plays chords exactly as you set the
> > progression up while in hold mode. This means you can now play, major,
> > minor, diminished etc chords all up and down the keyboard.
> 
> It is for me exactly the same as how it works on my Poly.  I used it a
> lot and I love it.  I do a chord in the hold mode and then I go back
> to the chords mode (labeled chord memory) and I can play that chord
> with a finger in every key, so ?  Is this what do you talking about ?
> 
> Thanks
> Bernard
>

Re: [korgpolyex] The new chord mode

2008-02-02 by Daniel Forro

Mike,

Sorry but exactly this is how the Chord Memory mode should work and works on
Korg instruments, so this is not something new. Somehow you returned normal
function of this mode. And IMHO you should leave it like it is because this
has sense - you can build any two voice interval or chord up to 8 notes (in
single OSC mode), be it consonant or dissonant, with any intervallic
structure, and play them with one finger as pipe organ mixture. I love this
feature and have used it a lot many years ago with Polysix, Poly 800 and
Poly 61.

This is OK on Poly 800 but still there's not solved how to implement this
great feature on EX800 without dedicated buttons. Maybe you could implement
a parameter which will decide if user wants to use internal sequencer or
Chord Memory function. In Sequencer mode buttons will work as before, in
Chord Memory mode sequencer Step button can work as Hold, and Start/Stop
button as Chord Memory On/Off. Or Bank Hold button can work as Hold button.
Or maybe you can reprogram the function of Program Up jack on the back
panel. Then connected footswitch could work this way:
- first press = Hold mode
- second press = Chord Memory mode (will memorize notes set-up in Hold mode
and play them monophonically)
- third press = Chord Memory mode off, return to the normal operation

Additionally it would be possible to use MIDI CC 69 = Hold for Hold
function, and following this any other not defined MIDI CC for activating
and deactivating the Chord Memory mode, for example 80, 81, 82, 83 or 70 or
any from 102 to 119. This will enable controlling this excellent feature
even from external sequencer and change the memorized chord whenever
necessary. Of course it means to set-up total volume to zero during Hold
mode when selecting notes, not to disturb played song. That would be great,
will you please consider it?

All the best!

Daniel Forro
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> Bernard,
> 
> In the new chord mode, you first select hold mode, then play a chord,
> say "C,E,G". Then select Chord mode. Now press C and it plays C,G,E.
> Press D and it plays D,F,A. But if you go back to hold mode and hit
> chord C,F,G then go back to chord mode and hit C will play C,F,G then
> hit D and it plays D,G,A and so on.
> 
> In other words, you use hold mode to determine the chord and then back
> in chord mode you hit keys to progress the chord through the range of
> the keyboard. I need to test if you can hit up to four (in double) or
> eight (in single) notes in hold mode and chord mode will play that
> chord. It certainly does four notes in double mode, I just didn't test
> single mode.
> 
> Does that make chord mode more useful?
> 
> Mike.
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "satnom2000" <satnomb@...> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mike
>> 
>> I follow the evolution of your work, keep on going.
>> I'm not shure that I understand what happens with the chords mode,
>> but what you refer as the new chord mode:
>> 
>>> The "NEW" chord mode plays chords according to how you set the chord
>>> up in hold mode. So you select hold mode and then play a chord. Then
>>> switch to chord mode and it plays chords exactly as you set the
>>> progression up while in hold mode. This means you can now play, major,
>>> minor, diminished etc chords all up and down the keyboard.
>> 
>> It is for me exactly the same as how it works on my Poly.  I used it a
>> lot and I love it.  I do a chord in the hold mode and then I go back
>> to the chords mode (labeled chord memory) and I can play that chord
>> with a finger in every key, so ?  Is this what do you talking about ?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Bernard
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

Re: [korgpolyex] You're not going to believe this but...

2008-02-02 by Al

Mike- "My elder son was playing the Poly 800, and
since he is only just learning music synthesis
principles he tends to press a lot of buttons (often
in frustration)" 

That sounds like me with my ex 800. It came to the
rescue just then during a recording, warm. Am liking
what I am hearing about this new upgrade, keep up the
good work.  
Al

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Re: [korgpolyex] polyphany

2008-02-02 by Al

(ex 800 in 4 note poly mode)
I may have 2 or 3 notes held down and when I add
another, it cuts out the others, what aspect of the
envelop is causing this? Is it too much sustain  or
decay or something?
thanks, AL

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Re: [korgpolyex] The new chord mode

2008-02-02 by Michael Hawkins

All those years and I never knew that you could use the Hold mode to change the chord played. I guess maybe I should have read the user manual more than once back in 1983.

I have already set up MIDI CC's for poly, chord, hold and portamento modes.

So it seems like we're back in business.

Mike.


Daniel Forro wrote:
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Mike,

Sorry but exactly this is how the Chord Memory mode should work and works on
Korg instruments, so this is not something new. Somehow you returned normal
function of this mode. And IMHO you should leave it like it is because this
has sense - you can build any two voice interval or chord up to 8 notes (in
single OSC mode), be it consonant or dissonant, with any intervallic
structure, and play them with one finger as pipe organ mixture. I love this
feature and have used it a lot many years ago with Polysix, Poly 800 and
Poly 61.

This is OK on Poly 800 but still there's not solved how to implement this
great feature on EX800 without dedicated buttons. Maybe you could implement
a parameter which will decide if user wants to use internal sequencer or
Chord Memory function. In Sequencer mode buttons will work as before, in
Chord Memory mode sequencer Step button can work as Hold, and Start/Stop
button as Chord Memory On/Off. Or Bank Hold button can work as Hold button.
Or maybe you can reprogram the function of Program Up jack on the back
panel. Then connected footswitch could work this way:
- first press = Hold mode
- second press = Chord Memory mode (will memorize notes set-up in Hold mode
and play them monophonically)
- third press = Chord Memory mode off, return to the normal operation

Additionally it would be possible to use MIDI CC 69 = Hold for Hold
function, and following this any other not defined MIDI CC for activating
and deactivating the Chord Memory mode, for example 80, 81, 82, 83 or 70 or
any from 102 to 119. This will enable controlling this excellent feature
even from external sequencer and change the memorized chord whenever
necessary. Of course it means to set-up total volume to zero during Hold
mode when selecting notes, not to disturb played song. That would be great,
will you please consider it?

All the best!

Daniel Forro

> Bernard,
>
> In the new chord mode, you first select hold mode, then play a chord,
> say "C,E,G". Then select Chord mode. Now press C and it plays C,G,E.
> Press D and it plays D,F,A. But if you go back to hold mode and hit
> chord C,F,G then go back to chord mode and hit C will play C,F,G then
> hit D and it plays D,G,A and so on.
>
> In other words, you use hold mode to determine the chord and then back
> in chord mode you hit keys to progress the chord through the range of
> the keyboard. I need to test if you can hit up to four (in double) or
> eight (in single) notes in hold mode and chord mode will play that
> chord. It certainly does four notes in double mode, I just didn't test
> single mode.
>
> Does that make chord mode more useful?
>
> Mike.
>
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "satnom2000" > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mike
>>
>> I follow the evolution of your work, keep on going.
>> I'm not shure that I understand what happens with the chords mode,
>> but what you refer as the new chord mode:
>>
>>> The "NEW" chord mode plays chords according to how you set the chord
>>> up in hold mode. So you select hold mode and then play a chord. Then
>>> switch to chord mode and it plays chords exactly as you set the
>>> progression up while in hold mode. This means you can now play, major,
>>> minor, diminished etc chords all up and down the keyboard.
>>
>> It is for me exactly the same as how it works on my Poly. I used it a
>> lot and I love it. I do a chord in the hold mode and then I go back
>> to the chords mode (labeled chord memory) and I can play that chord
>> with a finger in every key, so ? Is this what do you talking about ?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bernard
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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