The Logic Off Topic list

After reading spectro@... (Spectro)'s mail, it made me really 
depressed. I freely admit that the US blunders at time - Vietnam was 
questionable, and supporting Israel and not clamping down on their antics 
gets us in a lot of trouble. George Bush is the worst possible advocate 
for America to the outside world. 

But frankly I consider every Spectro's anti-American points to be stupid 
at worst, and distorted reality at best. It made me realize, that much of 
the world is screwed up, like Hendrik for example. How can we hope to 
come to an understanding with such negative, stupid, and ignorant 
attitudes. There is something going on here. Its not factual or logicial.

At least Hendrik and Spectro are honest and frank in giving their 
opinions, so I don't blame them personally. I don't think there is a 
country in the world which has done as much for humanity as the United 
States of America. 

Did you know, for example, that the largest donor of aid to Afganistan, 
is the United States? We are helping them eat as they plot our 
destruction. 


>In a personal mail Joeri pointed out what he regarded as some 
>offensive remarks I made with regard to the ideas of Hendrik Jan 
>Veestra.  I strongly disagree with Hendrik but Joeri is right there 
>is no need for that or to lower the level of debate.  Even if for no 
>other reason than overly strong language makes the user (me) look 
>foolish.  My apologies to Hendrik.