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--- In logic-ot@y..., "John Matthews" <Groovey@b...> wrote:
> Guys,
> lets not hate each other over all this, OK?
> 
>  Basically GA Moore does know his stuff historically wise, and you 
cant
> argue with what actually happened as history, and yes it does seem 
that,
> historically, when the going gets a little tough that most of Europe 
(except
> Britain) just lies down and gives up, with a load of appeasement and 
then
> collaboration with the devil.

The truth? I'm starting to sound like Jack Nicholson in a movie here. 
The truth is, you can't handle the truth. The truth we do not know. 
The only thing, and this is my opinion, is that there are culture 
differences. Different people see a situation differently.
The only thing I've seen here on this list, and to some extent being 
reported by media, as far as they can, is fear and the reactions to 
it.

> Thats basically the messages we are getting on this list.
> 
> Please stop US bashing, as the US, like it or not is the friend of 
Europe
> and the free world, and the Taliban are not, but I guess its safer 
to change
> sides in an instance to save your own skins??

I don't understand this. And it's probably that culture difference, 
but why are you all thinking that to discuss the position of the 
leader of the US is an attack on the whole American community and 
society? Why is it always so black and white, either you are with them 
or with us? This seems like a kind of Holywood way of presenting 
things, too simplistic in my view. Or is media manipulation here at 
work? I know a couple of Americans and they are people who have a more 
moderate view on things than this polarized view.
I'm aware that European governments also aren't such 'good guys' in 
the same way certain agencies of the US have misbehaved. If I look at 
arm sales of France, the Netherlands selling weapons to both China and 
Taiwan etc. You need to read more about this, read some of the 
articles by Michel Chossudovsky on http://globalresearch.ca/. That is 
if you have the time.

Trying to question the actions of the leaders of a country is not a 
bad idea, as some have already made clear in some mails already. It's 
exceptionally important to do this, especially when a action of the US 
could drag the whole world into on big nasty world war. How about try 
to dialog? The discussion in this list I've been following seemed like 
 a mini war, with words thank God. And this is only a community of 
what 400 people? There are other ways than the military way, that will 
have less casualties.
Peace,
Yoonchi.