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>Frankly, I don't understand the anti-Americanism that was occuring in 
>Europe even before the disaster. Sure, you don't like Bush, just as many 
>Americans don't either. He put the Kyoto treating on hold - he didn't say 
>he was in favor of global warming - it was negotiated before his term - 
>and he didn't think it was fair and wanted to offer alternatives. He said 
>a bunch of stupid things. But the level of hostility was disproportionate 
>to all of that.
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There is a misunderstanding imo: there is no real anti-americanism in 
Europe. We're all with the US. We do have different opinions on many 
issues though, which we like to express. Disagreeing doesn't mean 
hostility. If US people on this list feel "attacked", then it's probably 
because some Europeans are not native english which means it's more 
difficult for us to express ourselves in the correct way.

PS: Let's not start discussing whether it's hostility or disagreements, 
I just give you my point of view as I perceive it.

>But by objective standards, there are far worse things going on in the 
>world today - in Chechnya, in China, in Israel/Occupied lands, in 
>Afganistan, etc.
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Sad but true. :-(

>However, they have laws that permit more of a 'police 
>state' than the US civili liberties have allows up until now.
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The French intelligence works in a different way as France had to deal 
with a lot of terrorism in the past. I don't think France is more of a 
police state though.

>If those 
>terrorists would have been successful, how would French and Belgium and 
>others in that region feel, if I, sitting here in the United States said 
>"well the French are to blame for thier past colonialism in North Africa, 
>Vietnam, and even for Napoleon's abuses". That would be stupid and 
>insensitive. Wouldn't it? 
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It would be correct. I personally wouldn't mind if you said so. I do not 
agree with politics of many countries, including my own. Even today 
there's a trial about  a matter where Belgian diplomats ordered the 
killing of the opposition leaders in our ex-colonies (Congo etc). Many 
European countries have to deal with terrorism: Northern-Ireland, France 
(GIA attacks etc) etc etc we mostly created the mess ourselves.

I think it's human mankind that's too egoistic. Every country uses 
diplomatics for his own goals.


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