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This is kind of a rude message, isn't it? I don't know the Zappa song, and 
I'm no big fan of Zappa. But it doesn't sound too flattering. You know, there 
are two opposite urges in humans, to make peace, and to make war. You see 
that in Israel with the Peace Now movement and the Likud. You saw it in the 
US during the Vietnam war when students were protesting at every campus, and 
the older generation was supporting the war. While peace is nice and 
wonderful, there are times when violence is necessary. If people didn't fight 
back, Europe would be speaking German, Asia Japanese, or Korea would be 
communist. Most people on this list are creative people and usually sensitive 
and liberal which are good traits. However, there is a certain element of 
brute force, that needs to protect our societies so that we can have the 
freedom to spend our lives pursuing art and music. In harsh times of war and 
famine or other emergency, the arts are the first thing to go out the window. 
So before you condemn all war and violence, remember that its the threat of 
violence that brings peace. The weak are preyed upon, and only the strong 
remain independent.

>> spoken like a true Hip Hopper that would rather rap the night away rather
>than
>> stand up to people and organizations that are intent on wiping out Western
>> Civilization. Slumber on, insignificant "peacenicks". The Lucifer 
trigger-lock
>> is well-oiled.
>
>You know, Mike, you're one of those people that Frank Zappa was thinking
>about when he wrote "Dumb All Over (a little Ugly on the Side)".  Get a
>copy
>and listen to it.