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http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/06/isr0622.htm

http://www.tzemach.org/fyi/docs/winston/jan24-01b.htm
http://www.netanyahu.org/conmytofsabs.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/newsid_14320
00/1432099.stm  from there "In fact Sharon was found innocent of the
massacre but the commission concluded that he should have foreseen the
possibility of its occurrence." But the Kahan Commission does make it clear
that Sharon had indirect responsibility for the massacre."

I started to gather linkes but realized it's a waste of time if you think
that ", he even met with the militia leaders "Elieee Hebieqaaa" before the
mass massacre and organized it all.." you're not aware of the way israelies
thinks.
It's a fact that NO israelie solders  were involved !. 
I might agree that he could have known it's possible to happen ,but there's
no way that he organized it. 
Waste of time to explain this thing to such hate motivated people like you.

And yeah you can find links which says otherwise . Thing is you should be
able to figure who is motivated by hate and who is trying to live.
Tiran.
Let's stop this waste of bandwidth . I don't have time to argue. As I
learned arguing usually ends in each side still believe in his "truth" and
more time and anger .

-----Original Message-----
From: LogicBaby [mailto:basharar@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:54 AM
To: logic ot yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [L-OT] ]Goodbye/SHARON

Sharon was Controlling Sabra And Shatilla refugee camps when the masucure
happened, just like Slevodan Miliosovitch was in control in Bosnia and
Serbia, He segued the camps with Israeli troops so NO ONE WILL get out of
them, Provided the lightings for the killers all night, Israeli Boldoozers
to berry the innocent victims like they are animals, Even your own
governments NON biased report admits to those facts, The massacre happened
for 2 days while the camps where surrounded, all poor and innocent people
mostly women and children Killed with guns and knifes over 3000 people
massacred, there is a copy of the BBC documentary for you to watch on the
net somewhere, I will find the link. Sharon was the military commander of
the area, he even met with the militia leaders "Elieee Hebieqaaa" before the
mass massacre and organized it all..
> 1. The people who murdered  those people in Lebanon were Lebanons,
motivated
> by inter-lebanon fights and hates.
Yeah, You would surround one side's refugee camp with troops, light up the
sky all night, provide bulldozers to bury the victims over there houses, and
you would make sure no one gets out, not even children so that they all get
killed and lay on the side of the streets while your bulldozers clean
up.......

> Let me ask you - If you were in a war and had the information that two
> groups ,which are your enemies might fight each other to death, would you
> care ? 
Who is lying now?!!! The Americans where outraged when the massacre
happened, and ordered Sharon to pull out of Beirut, not to mention Israeli
citizens with consciousness "left wingers mostly who demonstrated against
the blood sucker"...
> I think that this thing proves that a lie ,if said enough times ,can be
> mistaken to be truth. And that's the way it is.

This is the biggest lie of All, Sharon has convinced Israelis that
everything is under Arafats control, he controls the anger of the people,
the rage against settlers who steal there lands, the shootings, Do you think
that it will be peaceful if Arafat goes "Like Sharon dreams", you are waging
a war of extermination against a whole nation, the Palestinians need there
just rights, freedom and end of occupation of there lands, Arafat did not do
all this shameful injustice...... Its your occupying army and savage illegal
settlers and settlements, this is reality
> 2. You also ignore the fact that Arafat IS controlling the shooting and
> killing ,at least at the Macro level.- for example:
>
Have you asked yourself why are those kids very angry at you?? Why are the
Palestinians angry, I don\ufffdt think so, even though I know you know the truth
deep down. Again you go back to "Blame it all on Arafat" propaganda while
forgetting the source of the problem "OCCUPATION of others lands and filling
it with ILLEAGAL settlements"
> 3. As for the last "intifada" going on for the last year -
> So far there was a discussion going on whether Sharon's visit in Jerusalem
> was the ignition to the "intifada" or not.
> This discussion is over:
> one of arafat's man published a book , in arab language , which said that
> they organized for war long before this and they grab the opportunity to
> blame "Sharon" .
Yeah, ARAFAT is the source of your nightmares, you have done nothing towards
the poor Palestinians other than what I listed above, SHARON Preaches to his
people that there will be no more land compensations "OR RETURN Of what is
illegally STOLEN", The Palestinians should live under the settlements
forever and there is NO LAND for peace, its Security for peace, well there
will NEVER be Peace if you don\ufffdt give the Palestinians there rights under UN
resolutions and international laws, WITH or without Arafat, Sharon is only
going to get you more Un-security while he has NO political solution to your
problem, and is not ready to talk peace, he can blame it all on Arafat and
have people like yourself believe that lie.
> 4. Arafat is placing his people as victims , and provoke things that will
> cause lose of life.



Destroy YOU!!!! You have the second military power in the world, All
Palestinian towns are under siege, surrounded by your troops, NO cars, food
or medicine are allowed to pass, children, women and children are walking
mountains under your tank's guns, who is destroying who, AGAIN, there will
be no surrender as Sharon might like, IT is OCCUPATION, so you move out,
take the Russian and Ethiopian settlers off our lands, LIVE and LET Live,
before you go claiming to be the  innocent victims while you exercise
collective punishment on an entire nation, Peace is in your hands and you
know how to get it, END the occupation, take the settlers away....


> 5. And I truly believe the palestiniens deserve a country .problem is they
> have to realize they don't have to destroy us if they have.

ARE YOU not raciest or NOT "see your statement below", CNN is probably the
most biased towards Israel, if you think they are biased towards
Palestinians then you must be smoking Hash.... Murdock /Time Warner work for
Arafat.

> 6. CNN - How can you believe a network whose reporters are palestenians ?
> how can you believe a network who suppress news when the palestenians
don't
> approve them ?
You are talking about  Muhamed Al-Durrah, the kid that was gunned down by an
Israeli sniper from a military tower, the pictures where taken by a French
photographer called Charles Anderlin, I guess he made it all up to harm your
good reputation......


 there have been numerous examples how this network is biased
> . were you aware of the fact that the kid that was shut to death near his
> father was actually shut to death by the Palestinians ? well I've got a
job
> ,so I have to return working...

Its just that the current Israeli government is made up of Raciest right
wingers who really can express there emotions......you are always, always
the victims......

> 7. the israelies speakers sucks ( mostly because they think , mistakenly,
"
> we're right and that's why we don't have to explain or speak",and the
> palestenians are doing a great job. And it's shows.
> 
> Bye
> Tiran.



 

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