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Tiran wrote 
>"In fact Sharon was found innocent of the
>massacre but the commission concluded that he should have foreseen the
>possibility of its occurrence." But the Kahan Commission does make it clear
>that Sharon had indirect responsibility for the massacre."

Was the Kahan Commission an Israeil Commission or an internation 
commission including neutral parties, Palestians, Arabs, and Israelis?

>I started to gather linkes but realized it's a waste of time if you think
>that ", he even met with the militia leaders "Elieee Hebieqaaa" before the
>mass massacre and organized it all.." you're not aware of the way israelies
>thinks.
>It's a fact that NO israelie solders  were involved !. 

Yeah, but you YOURSELF said that the two groups hated each other. If the 
American police put the Black Panthers (a militant group of black people) 
in charge of a KKK town (the KKK are a militant racist group of white 
people), is there any doubt that something terrible will occur? But can 
the police claim innoence because they didn't actually pull the trigger? 
Come on, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth with different 
stories.

(Actually the prison guards at one prison in Northern California were 
charged with something like this. One guy who was a trouble maker and 
kicked a female guard was put into a cell with a big black guy who was 
well known as a booty-bandit (a guy who anally rapes guys). The guards 
conveniently didn't hear the first guys pleas for help when he was being 
butt-fucked against his will.) The booty-bandit got some new Nike's out 
of the deal too - not to mention a tight piece of ass. The prison guards 
are being tried for this now.

Really quite a similar deal - except the Palestinians didn't kick a guard 
or do anything wrong other than flee their homes in the face of Jewish 
terror and try to eke out an existence in dusty diseased squalor, and 
they weren't simply fucked in the ass. Their throats were slit in a 
several day orgy of death.

Speaking of terrorism, evidently it was 'invented' by the Jews 2,000 
years ago as a weapon to fight the Romans. They would slit the throats of 
centurians and commit other attrocities, not unlike their more modern 
sons have treated the British soldiers in 1948 and Arab civilians.

>I might agree that he could have known it's possible to happen ,but there's
>no way that he organized it. 

Who was in command? Who had responsibility and who was in charge? Sharon, 
Sharon, and Sharon. 

This a lot like having Hitler in charge of "refugee camps" in Auchwitz, 
Treblina,  Buchenwald, and the Warsaw ghettos. I'm not sure very many 
German soldiers actually killed the Jews in the camps- since they had 
Jewish prisoner "trustees" to do the actual dirty work of turning on the 
poison gas, and piling the bodies into the crematoriums.

And I don't mean to make light of this in any way, but clearly there is a 
painful irony here. But how can a people who suffered so much 50 years 
ago, turn around and subject another people to same kind of ethnic hatred 
with so little sympathy? I think that is the great enigma of the modern 
Jews - who are normally a wonderfully liberal and compassionate people - 
in all cases except when it comes to Palestinians.

>Waste of time to explain this thing to such hate motivated people like you.

Why the name calling? The most hateful act of all is to kill 3,000 
innocent men, women, and children living as poor refugees. That hateful 
act was committed with the complicity of the Israeli army. Its pretty 
strange to call anyone who questions this "hateful".

If you don't like the past from 20 years ago, look at the modern day war 
crimes of Sharon. Just yesterday, some Palestinians killed a Jewish 
teenager and wounded others. They were shot dead by Israeli snipers. 
Thats fine. However, the Israeilis then killed INNOCENT Palestinians that 
had nothing to do with it. And this is a regular daily pattern.

Do you feel no shame? And the question is really - will you not admit to 
any wrong doing? Even the Germans feel shame over what their ancestors 
did to the Jews.