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In a message dated 10/9/01 8:30:08 AM, saschafranck@... writes:
>There's pretty much occasions where the US simply was like "going our own
>way" rather than agreeing on international conventions. As I allready
>mentioned in a previous post, the Kyoto agreement is a perfect example
>for
>that. This is a fucken stupid thing! If we want to rescue what's left in
>this ecological poor world we gotta do it all together.


A good example of misinformation. The treaty was not fair to the US - written 
an way to favor the Euros - and especially India and China. The fear was that 
in the end it would do little but hamper the US economically while not 
hampering others as much, and not stopping global warming. 

And when you said the "US" you really mean "the US's new president" who took 
office and has a right to re-evaluate things before they are signed. 
President Bush is indeed stupid and not effective in communicating, but that 
doesn't  mean the whole country is to blame, or that he is necessarily wrong 
in re-evaluating.

It is exactly your mindset to blame the US unfairly which is disturbing. This 
seems to be the 'thought of the moment' for Europeans, who feel they are very 
enlightened but actually are not very broad minded. If you are truly 
concerned over global warming you should be very afraid of the combined 
efforts of China and India - with populations about 7 tiimes that of the US 
with little to stop them from creating all the greenhouse gases they want as 
they rapidly industrialize.

If you were fairer, you would be marching in the streets over the death and 
destruction Russia delivers to Chechnya and China delivers to Tibet and its 
own citizens, and the repeated threats of war coming from China. Also, more 
European countries would commit troops to the Balkans - a problem in your own 
backyard, whch the US must bail you out of ... again ... because you refuse 
to act.


>There's a lot of things happening (especially) in the US simply driving
>me mad. 

Well you have a problem but its not the problem of the US, its the problem of 
being fixated on the US without the independence of thought to look at things 
objectively.

Germans in particular waste a lot of fuel on their autobahns, at least in the 
US we have strict speed limits.