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Tiran wrote:
> > > Crash Course on the Arab Israeli Conflict.
> > > Here are some conveniently overlooked facts in the current
Middle East
> > > HERE'S THE BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY....

Dennis Gunn wrote:
> I would not call it a document exactly it looked to me like a guy
> summing up the history of a region as he understood it.
> Biased? Perhaps. But not abusive.

Personally, I wasn't so sure about that.


> And he is telling a side that is getting
> represented much around here.

That I agree with ... and so I was basically interested in what he had
to say.
(Also, I think you accidentally left a 'not' out there!!)


> If you want to rebut it you aught to
> do some digging; and come up with something reasoned

I had thought of discussing some of the points simply because I was
interested.
But personally, I did not see how one could conduct a reasoned debate 
when things like this were being said:


> > 6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy 
> > Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
???

> > 7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to
> > Jerusalem.
???

> > 8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with heir backs toward
> > Jerusalem.
On this last particular point, I always understood that Muslims prayed
facing Mecca.
So ... if one is between Mecca and Jerusalem then this 'back turning'
is pretty unavoidable.
However, it is perfectly possible for the two people to face each other.
They simply have to agree to get in the right kind of position. Also
... if one is on
the other side of Jerusalem, or indeed on the other side of Mecca,
then it is perfectly
possible to face both cities in reverence and respect.
This latter circumstance, I think, describes far and away the vast
bulk of people on this planet.


> I think it is safe to say that both sides have a claim to make.

And, to extend what I said above (and the last time I tried to extend
an analogy 
I got in trouble Big Time),
the difficulty here is that the few people currently struggling
between the two and who take the view
that to face the one is immediately to turn one's back upon the other
('those who aren't for us are against us'??) are pretty much holding
the rest
of the planet to ransom.


> As I see it the biggest problem is that on both sides there are
> people with no authority and who are willing to answer to no one
> trying to make the case with brutality.

Agreed.

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