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Just as a side comment, one thing brought vividly to my attention in at
least Bavaria and probably other parts of Europe was just how differently
women are still perceived in the workplace as opposed to America.  In France
(outside Strasbourg) I was in a warehouse with mostly men where they had
several pornographic pictures up and they laughed how in America we couldn't
do that - of course this could have just been staged for my benefit!
Regardless, where I saw more of that was in Germany, specifically in
Bavaria, where at least a couple years ago women were expected to get the
coffee and if they were admin assistants, expected to take care of a
surprising number of personal errands.  (Interestingly in my trips there
this year it seems that's already decreasing).  That plus jokes about women
were much much more commonplace as was the notion that women should be
subservient in the home, in the UK, France, and Germany where I visited.

None of which is to say that it's black and white and America's incredibly
better, but there was clearly a difference in attitude, even compariing
rural small-town America to Bavaria.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kool Musick" <koolmusick@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [L-OT] Battle of the Sexes


> GA Moore wrote:
>
> >Honestly, have you actually seen an article in Europe showing that in any
> >particular line of work, women with the same years of experience, and
> >same education get less pay? There may indeed be a few such cases -
> >usually a bit murky in some way - like lawyers who earn based on
> >performance where men dominate. If you can show me some clear statistics
> >about the US or Europe I will stand corrected.
>
> Nothing at all definitive ... but ...
>
> The American Association of University Professors:
> http://www.aaup.org/Wbellas.htm
> http://www.aaup.org/wstudy.htm
> http://www.aaup.org/Wrepup.htm
> http://www.aaup.org/wlegdoc.htm
>
> The AFL-CIO (American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial
> Organizations)
> http://www.aflcio.org/women/eqp_occ.htm
> http://www.aflcio.org/women/calculat.htm
>
> "Women in tech (report)"
> http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/6764.html
>
> Women and Minorities in Science
> http://www.nls.physics.ucsb.edu/~kris/WIS.html
> http://www.mills.edu/ACAD_INFO/MCS/SPERTUS/Gender/wom_and_min.html
>
> Kool Musick
> Keep Musick Kool
>
>
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