Battle of the Sexes
2001-11-11 by GAmoore@aol.com
>There are many articles claiming the opposite. So "I think" this one
>article of yours might not be a very persuasive argument.
>
>>And in any area where there is a clear difference, there would be clear
>>grounds for a lawsuit and humiliation for the company conducting such
>>practices.
Honestly, have you actually seen an article in Europe showing that in any
particular line of work, women with the same years of experience, and
same education get less pay? There may indeed be a few such cases -
usually a bit murky in some way - like lawyers who earn based on
performance where men dominate. If you can show me some clear statistics
about the US or Europe I will stand corrected.
These overall averages, that I hear about, don't account for these
differences. We could do similar statistics that show that children are
discriminated against because they make much less than adults too. People
in the farm lands are clearly discriminated against too on the same
basis.
>Such lawsuits are indeed being conducted ("conducted" -- is that how
>you say it in English?)
Maybe conduct is not exactly right. I probably should have said that
lawsuits would be underway at this time. An agrieved party initiates a
lawsuit, or brings suit against someone.
>Yes, that's indeed probably part of the story. Still it's silly that
>2 people doing the same job get a different salary, solely depending
>on their degree. But that's a whole topic in itself, I'm afraid...
That has nothing to do with male/female. I think it does make a huge
difference - because there are huge differences in the level of
difficulty and level of learning in different colleges - at least here in
the US - and i think its the same in Europe. Someone who can go out
drinking every weekend or every night and barely study and get C's will
not be as productive worker as someone who went to top universities and
graduated with honors - even if the same two people had identical talent
to start with. ... At least this applies to areas where productivity is
important - such as research or programming. When it comes to people
skills, such as teaching, then it doesn't matter so much.. and indeed
teachers are not paid differently depending on the calibre of their
school, but programmers were when I was doing it.
>>less likely to go into the more competitive job
>>areas, and more likely to take time off for raising children.
>
>Not relevant. We're talking about men/women in similar jobs. Not
>about male executives versus housewives.
Take a lawyer for example. The more years of experience in the area means
you are familiar with more cases, and have your act together more so you
can do a better job. Most jobs pay more for more experience. This is very
rigid in elementary, high school and community college teaching. You get
about $2000 additional salary for each year of experience on the job that
you have.
>>On the other hand, men (in the US) contribute a great deal more
>>around the house, to the kids, to the cooking, to the shopping, etc.
>
>And women contribute a great deal more to the family's bank-account.
>What's your point?
Sometimes! Women frequently have the option of taking several years of
break from the working life when they tire of it. Men usually don't have
that option.
>>And in the dating arena, women still want
>>the guy to pay (depending on the woman) EVEN WITH EQUAL PAY.
>
>In the US maybe. Not so over here. And the few that do are the
>wrong kind of women :-).
Now we're getting somewhere! I can be over this January if you can show
Kool, Bashar and myself around and introduce us to a couple of women! ;->
>Which imo is bollocks. These women most often work there out of free
>will, They could have been waitresses or whatever, but being a
>stripper pays better. I don't blame them. Hell, I would maybe do
>the same if I even remotely had the body for it :-). Sure beats a
>teaching-salary. LOL!
I heard that these women make $50,000 - $200,000 from tips - so pretty
much tax free. But would you really want the mother of your children to
know the view from the stage of strip bar?
>These men _choose_ to step into a role of sex-object. Most likely
>_they_ don't mind at all -- otherwise they would have found a
>different job.
I'm not talking about the guys doing it. Hell, for $200,000 I'd be
shaking my ass too. I'm talking about society. Young girls frequently
talk about guys in purely physical terms "washboard abs", "cute ass" etc.
Now, I realize that cute asses where not recently invented, but what
happened to "cute smile" or "good heart"? I think society is getting
cheaper - we value physical things more than the really important stuff -
like how much money a guy has in his pocket (just joking). And its not
just America - I see a lot of young Asian kids - and its the same thing.
>>Its the same thing with the cold war, every time we think human beings
>>will rise to the occasion, they find new lows unimaginable before.
>
><plop> lose association -- on the news today: UNICEF has warned that
>in 6 months (or was it weeks? I think so...) 100.000 children in
>Afghanistan will die because of malnutrition and the harsh winter.
>Talking about "lows"...
That is a sad prediction. I heard today that the Northern Alliance has
taken Mazur E Sharif and has welcomed any UN or other group to bring food
for anyone in their areas of control. I know the US is also shipping food
through Iran, to Afgan refugees, and is dropping 40,000 rations on
Afganistan every night. I think we can all agree that the sooner it ends
the better. I want the war to stop, and I am not comfortable with my own
government's casual attitude about taking two years ....,oops I meant "23
months" to end the bombing. My wish is for a safe and prosperous
Afganistan for all Afganis, with a representative government committed to
peace.