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>  >>That plus jokes about women
>>>were much much more commonplace as was the notion that women should be
>>>subservient in the home, in the UK, France, and Germany where I visited.
>>
>>Don't know where in the UK you went to, to be honest. Yes ... there's some,
>  >I guess. I heard from some female friends that British guys are 
>somewhat sexist. However, Madonna didn't seem to think so.

>She doesn't seem the sort to
>take one tiny ounce of crap from anyone.

Maybe she is the kind of person who is intelligent enough to deal 
with people on her own terms and for who they are and what they 
really mean rather than retreating behind some slippery social 
yardstick that changes shape and dimension with the wind and 
temperature.  She has never been too shy about exploiting sex.


>I always think of Europe as so liberal and ahead of the curve in social
>issues, is it mainly Norway, Sweden, Holland, and France?

That's how they think of themselves anyway.

>I know they elect strippers in Italy.

I have no doubt that a stripper is any less or more qualified to be a 
politician than anyone else but the case I believe you are referring 
to is Cicculina (sp?) and I think she was more of a "none of the 
above" cantidate than anything else.


>Thing have changed a lot in the US - ever since Clarence Thomas you can't
>say "Is that a pubic hair on your coke can" - no really, you say can't
>any kind of such shit in the workplace at all in the US. You have to be
>careful even of saying "you look nice today."
>
>What is interesting is how they define sexual harrasment for college
>professors at one major university in California. If a professor and
>student date by mutual consent, its alright. However, if anyone objects
>to it, then its sexual harassment. I think this means a third party not
>involved could lodge a complaint. And also, there is the danger that when
>the relationship turns sour, the student could cause a lot of trouble if
>mean spirited.

I will probably be crucified for saying it but I think the whole 
issue has gone so over the top in the US that it does nothing but 
damage to all parties.  It does not matter what side you are on 
trying to legislate morality will produce nothing but insincerity and 
resentment.


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