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Thoughts from the mind of Alexis Aiosa, 12-02-2002:

>Hendrik, stay out of this...I didn't start the whiner crap...and I just
>found out that my upgrade will be $399.00 US...Now would like me to convert
>it to EUR to you.  Which is bullcrap and you know it.  Stop smooching Emagic
>butt, you can get hepatitis that way.

I can understand your annoyance at having to pay quite a huge sum of 
money, and don't mind at all if you express that annoyance.  However, 
I still don't see the point of using abusive language to individual 
users who can't do anything about this pricing-issue.
And yes, I read the rest of this thread, and maybe I missed 
something, but I didn't see anyone offend you like you offend others.

>  > Alexis, please get your act together and stop behaving like a bored
>  > teenager.
>
>Well maybe if someone treated this concept as an idea to actually go forward
>and do something about it.  Then maybe crap like this wouldn't happen.

Serious question: do you have any idea what the v3 to v4 upgrade 
cost, at the time?  Let's suppose it was $200.  Now v4 to v5 is $150. 
So 3-to-5 might be $350.  Add some inflation, etc, and you get some 
$400...  Not unreasonable then.  Or was the 3-to-4 upgrade more like 
$50?  In that case you have a valid point.

Seriously, no-one can judge the (un)reasonableness (is that a word?) 
of the $400 pricing without knowing the 3-to-4 upgrade price -- which 
I haven't seen mentioned in this entire thread.

>And really, in the past even you have expressed imperfection.

Yes, _even_ I am not perfect <grin>...

>Personally, what is shocking to me, is to see you side with people 
>that would serve you the same.  Personally thought you would see 
>right through that.

I'm not siding with anyone.  I just object to your somewhat 
thoughtless people-bashing.  I can understand anger, but anger never 
is an excuse to start behaving like you do.
I know you're not an idiot, and maybe *that's* the reason I object to 
your postings.  Others have posted worse things in the past (not 
necessarily referring to this thread), and I may not have responded 
to that, since I already gave up on some people.  The fact that I 
object to your postings therefore means that I think you're _worth_ 
objecting to.

>And sometimes Hendrik, you fail to see a lot of thing...But I don't usually
>blame you for that.

Ditto the other way around.  *Usually* I don't either.  Except this time.

>then add the cost of upgrades over times that would be about
>300.00, then to say to me 399.00 US.  C'mon, cut the crap Hendrik.

So you claim that the v3-v4 upgrade was 300 (your number above) - 150 
(the v4-v5 price) = $150?

If I read this correctly and the v3/v4 price indeed was $150, then 
you seem to have a valid point here.  *That* should have been your 
argument then.  Just claiming that "400 is too much" is of little use 
without the proper background info (which I might have missed, but 
don't think I did)

>Personally, you are not the one sitting here dealing with this, are 
>you?  But, conceivably in the future, if NO ONE said anything (like 
>me, right now)...Then this could be your future to...one day.

Agreed.  And once more I don't object to your anger -- esp. if it's 
justified (depending on the v3/v4 pricing).  But then Emagic should 
be the target of your anger, and not some fellow LUGger.  Even if 
it's a LUGger "kissing up Emagic's butt", to paraphrase you.  Who 
cares if some LUGgers swallow everything Emagic serves them?  What 
difference does it make?  None at all.

>And even when an individual steps up to presents themselves with 
>good reasons and objectively declares that, it still is met with 
>opposition of total ignorance, to which that ignorance will fall 
>prey of being the victim of circumstance.

Nothing wrong with "good reasons and objectivity", but then that's 
not what I objected to.

>So, if you do follow my threads, think of all the interesting things 
>I have said, then think to yourself, "boy...he really must be pissed 
>off".

I did follow, and did think to myself...  And that's why a few days 
ago (6 feb) in the LUG I posted a rather decent (I think) message to 
you, asking you to stop behaving irrationally.  The 1st sentence in 
that message was:

"I've come to know you as a reasonable and knowledgeable guy, so I
don't really understand what you're trying to do now?  "

That still stands.  Both the 1st and the 2nd part of the sentence.


cheers,
HJ
-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html