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Dennis Gunn <dennisg@a...> wrote:

<Big huge SNIP>

Regardless of historical corrections and elaboration of facts, which AGAIN
deterred from the truth...The real point was:

"Facts are the enemy of truth." Don Quixote - "Man of La Mancha" 

1.  Twain *Helped* his colleague in a time of *NEED*.  He didn't call him a
*Whiner*.  Which was really was the subtle hint I was trying to make with
you.  You didn't see that.

2.  The other point is the truth, which doesn't always pertain to facts!  

Fact is, the Upgrade from *v3.72 to v5* is 399.00, truth is, it's a rip off.
 When considering certain factors.

> If you had some valuable intellectual property that is actually out 
> there doing something I do not believe you would be spouting crap 
> that you have been.  But then if you were smart enough to actually 
> originate an idea you would also probably be smart enough not to say 
> the things you do.

3.  Regardless of any intellectual property being out there or not, and the
spewing historical of facts...read this and then tell me what you think? 
Tell me to my face even, that I deserve to be called a *whiner* by you! 
Because here is the truth and fact, lying here before you.

Read this:

My current upgrade price 399.00, however the promotional sale price over the
counter was:

LAP v4 + AW2 card = 399.00

Breakdown is:
249.00 for LAP v4  <---Over the counter.
150.00 for AW2 card

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My upgrade 3.7.2 to v5.0 = 399.00 

Breakdown is:
249.00 for LAP v4  <---the same price it was 2 years ago, yet delineated
technology.
150.00 for v5.0

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Now take "promotional over the counter sale":

LAP v4 + AW2 card = 399.00

and

add upgrade to v5.0  = 150.00

Total 549.00
Compared to just my upgrade which is now.  $399.00

Effective, yet LOGICAL comparisons:

1.  Then I effectively sell the card to someone else for 150.00.  Now I am
back to 399.00 for the v5.0 upgrade.  

Critique:  So, really how is that any better than buying my current license
upgrade.  Compared to a fairly current "over the counter purchase" from a
retail store?  No advantage.  You and I are supposed to get better deals on
upgrades or even skip upgrades...that is the idea.  This is called,
unethical pricing, or is an actual faux pa on Emagic's of  the upgrade
pricing structure...because feasibly if I knew this, I could have bought the
promotion over counter and then, read on...

or

2.  Then I am receiving AW2 card for just 150.00...LOL.  And have two
licenses.  But, I then turn around and sell my old license to anyone I know
for 150.00 and tell them they would have to pay 399.00, which for them is a
better deal to today's standards. Compared to a TODAY's current "over the
counter purchase" from a retail store.  

Option: Effectively making my upgrade to v5 cost 399.00, yet now I have an
AW2 card.
249.00 for v3.7.2 to v5 + 150 for AW2 card = 399.00

or

3.  Then turn around and sell my old license and the AW2 card for 300.00 and
tell them they would have to pay 399.00 which again for them would be a
better deal to today's standards. 

Option: Making my new license to v5 effectively cost me 249.00.  LOL.
99.00 for v3.7.2 to v4 + 150 for v5 upgrade = 249.00

Amazing, huh?

"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt." Mark Twain

Now if others can see this...what do you have to say?  Do I deserve to be
called a *whiner* by you?  Am I not looking out for the better interest of
not just me, but you as well?  One should not have to go these extremes to
prove a point.  The idea being if you're purchasing anything, you as
consumer have to be able to somewhat trust who are doing business with,
otherwise, you will get pissed off, just as I am now.  Yes there certain
things that come about and things will change...But had I known this to be
true for my purchase of the upgrade, I would have ran (not walked) to my
local Guitar Center, and bought the promotional over the counter sale.  But
still, this is not something that one should have to do, as a person who
buys software upgrades from a company.  My "skip upgrade" as should yours,
should have a promotional value to it.  And I am pretty sure that I am not
the only one that hasn't upgraded in a while...even IF a low number of 1000
users still using 3.72, that skip upgrade might be a lot of cash for them. 
Also, again, not everyone here is PRO, so that hardly contends with the idea
of being moderate pricing for a web and print media person such as myself. 
Never forget your customer base...very important.  Not everyone is a pro
here or anywhere else for that matter.  There is wide and diverse set of
people out there, using programs in many different ways.

Like I said to someone else...Again, look up at those numbers and tell me
that my upgrade is ethically priced.  As long term client.  But I tell what
I am gonna do...I will give you a deal.  I can design 1 set of CD inserts,
label, conceptualize your Branding, design company logo and print assets for
you, for about $3,500.00, but for you, I will do it for $3,500.00.  LOL.  Or
will you *whine* about the price and how expensive I am.  Because, if that
is the case, then I can introduce you to my friend, who will design just the
CD inserts, but he will charge you about $5,000.00.  If you want see a
sample of his work, just look at "No Doubt's Tragic Kingdom".  That is what
he charges for that, and that my friend, was him providing a good deal.  So,
is 3500.00 a good deal?  Or are you gonna use you cracked version of
Photoshop to design your own CD covers...LOL.

Now just couple more questions...In your mind, did it prove to be
constructive to call me a *whiner*?  Did all this time you wasted typing out
SA's accomplish anything for you?

Peace,
Alexis


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