The Logic Off Topic list

<Jonathan wrote something to which effectively turned into rant of denial,
and still doesn't effectively use his objectivity to see the truth in
Numbers. >

Oh okay, a slight faux pa for me, but hey and even bigger fuax pa for
you...look again oh wise one.  It is 22% of the MSRP.  Don't think I am
making this crap up.  Just because you failed in math doesn't mean that the
truth of math doesn't work.  The fact is 399.00 is my upgrade price, yet the
truth here shows I am paying more then the fair market value.  Don't try to
detter from the truth, it makes you look very bad.  Be objective and read. 
I am not bitching or whining.  I am showing you the truth.  If I told you
Cubase was a great piece of software, then I would lying.  LOOK!  I am not
doing this for my health, ya know.

799.00 = 175.78  <--based on 22% of 799.00
699.00 = 153.78  <--based on 22% of 699.00
949.00 = 208.78  <--based on 22% of 949.00

Your price to upgrade:

153.78 then round down 150.00 <--based on 22% of 699.00 (which is not
MSRP...LOL...List is 949.00)

So to you, if it were base on the real 22% of the 949.00 MSRP it is actually
208.78, with a 25% reduction in price.  LOL.  So you are getting the deal,
and I am not.

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Now, again, my price to upgrade.

175.78 + 208.78 <--based on 22% of 949.00 = 384.78

384.78 then Round up 399.00

So you see, what I should be paying is:

175.78 + 153.78 <--based on 22% of 699.00 = 329.56

Round down 329.00 <-- a fair market value.

Now any smart company would then say, no let's make 299.00.  Because the
consumer has to absorb, tax, shipping, shipping back of dongles and CD's,
then add insurance, and of course has their own bills.  Again, Emagic is
business, they are not some Mom and Pop shop, that come and visit you on
your birthdays and drink booze with your parents.  So, in effect they are
not your friends, they are your business partner.  And therefore should be
treated as such.

So, now...NO, I am not a retailer, I am however, and educated consumer who
sees a problem in the math.  The math is not lying.  If any mathimation saw
this, they would "You're right".  However, if Emagic would like to show me
the real concept of what is their mathematical equation of deriving 399.00
as fair price.  I am more than open to see this reasoning.  Otherwise I am
no more a fool than you are.

Why are you in denial?  It was fitting to pay 249 for v3.72 to v4 two years
ago.  But now it is not so.  It is not considered fair market value,
especially when one LOOKS at the numbers.  You certainly would not pay full
value on yesterdays price of a P3 processor, when there are P4 processors
for the same price.  It is funny how most of you would bitch up a high storm
for cost electricity or gas going up, but when is comes to Emagic, a company
and a business, like any, you defend them like some holy grail, like they
are doing you favors.  Can't you see the numbers in front of you.  

Also, another question that you so fittingly forgot to ask yourself and I
have to point this out to you.
Let's say it took 8 months for them to develop v4, then released it, yet you
waited six months before upgrading.   Yet, then they came out with v5,
within that six month time frame.  Would you be so inclined and quick to pay
399.00, based on what you percieve?  Or would you question the validity of
the numbers?  Updates, Free sub-releases, whatever...Count the beans, equate
the fair market value, and read between the lines.  Cause right now, you far
from objective and logical.  

Now the last set of numbers were slightly amiss.  And these are breakdown
the same and still point to you actually paying 150.00 based on the 699.00
(which is no longer MSRP) and ME paying based on the 949.00 MSRP.  It is
totally amazing that you can't evolve past your flawed logic to SEE that. 
These are numbers anyone would use to figure out to ethically price
something.  You don't just pick numbers out of the air you know.  That is
not how it works.  The problem with most of you, is you hate to admit your
wrong.  So you guys keep arguing this till your blue in the face.  Yet I am
trying to pass on the truth and help you in the long run.  

Did you know, that you could actually, feasibly haggle price at some
departments stores.  For instance, at Macy's you can't haggle, but they give
you a discount card of 10%.  That mean's there is a 15% mark up on prices at
certain types of stores.  So, in effect if the store does not have say a 10%
discount card, you can actually haggle for 15% reduction in price.  Now, if
they are stubborn or can't feasibly do it, then you walk.  Period.  Take
your business elsewhere (which yes I am contemplating).  Now if you look at
MOTU's pricing system, it is very much like Apple.  A set price where ever
you go.  No room to haggle.  Unless buying *antiquated* technology...LOL.

Now the difference between the price of 799.00 for LAPv4 and 949.00 for
LAPv5 is 150.00.  LOL.   Which puts Emagic  technically selling LAPv4 with a
16% reduction in price, compared to LAPv5.  But the retailer is able to sell
it at 479.00.  Which means there is still a fair amount of room to
profit...LOL.  Amazing huh?

Peace,
Alexis