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--- In logic-ot@y..., "serverxyz" <saine@p...> wrote:

> Is it just possible that you are by degrees a victim of the 
> emperers new cloths? That if one took e's in a math class they 
>might also experience a trance?

Okay, I can't help but add to this discussion (and perhaps come to 
the defense of poor Hector).

I come from a varied musical background, and have a deep love for 
classical, folk, world, etc. My main unconcious method of judging 
music has always been: does it communicate? is the communication real
(honest)? do I like what it's communicating? etc. much the same 
qualifiers one would use to appreciate any fine art.. this works for 
me, and has served to develop my love for all music from Mahler to 
Minor Threat.

But one day I bought a Digweed/Sasha cd (ironically 
titled "Communicate") in attempt to understand what was going on with 
the kids these days.. I casually played this double cd a couple of 
times and all I could hear was thump thump thump.. etc.. boring as 
hell.. until the night I listened to it on mdma. Then: frickin 
incredible. sheer genius..

okay, so now I've proven how utterly bs this trance music is. After 
all, it only sounds good on drugs, right?
wrong.

Fact is, the Digweed cd is just as awesome sober. The pill popping 
was an annual event, so why do still like it the other 364 days of 
the year? Flashbacks? 

No, it's just that I understand it now.

An example, my brother had recently started getting into this music 
as well (psytrance in his case). He visited me the other weekend, and 
as usual, I was eager to play him some of my latest favorite music 
(which may be folk, classical, pop, etc). As I shuffled thru my 
collection, he said, "just don't play me anything with personality, I 
don't want hear someone else's vibe.."

There you have it. This music isn't about an "artist" communicating 
to you, rather, it provides a vehicle for your own self-exploration. 
It eliminates the old dialoge between artist and listener, where the 
artist is showing you a piece of him/herself, or filling you with 
their emotional state or opinion. No more inflated ego's pouring out 
there souls to you, whether they be Beethoven or the Back Street 
Boys. 

Vehicle is the best word for this music. In fact, a train taking you 
on a journey is a good analogy. For example, when you're listening, 
the 4x4 kick drum is no longer annoying, but rather becomes a 
soothing constant, and you miss it when it's not there..

So, will a "hit" trance track last, or will this or that still style 
be around next year? And is it "real" music? 

I don't know, but I'm enjoying Wizzy Noise as much as I enjoy Mahlers 
5th, so who cares?