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Alexis Aiosa <wirehead1@a...> wrote:
> Now, teddybut, you are now in this moment starting to define 
>what you mean by Poser.  To you this means some person 
>who is more interested in image, than in providing the 
>audience strong material of self expression.  This was no 
>defined early on.  So, this finally being said, I was trying to point 
>out, that there are musicians who are 
> un-sckooled who offered a lot in history.  But there were also 
>the sckooled musicians that offered a lot to history as well.  I 
>think I expressed that clearly enough.  BUT...
> 
> To me, a *Poser* can be *anybody*...for instance.  If one is 
>sckooled, but their material is derivative.  Then for me, this is a 
>poser. Because they are in Emulation of, and not the creation 
>of.  Yet this can be true for anyone...sckooled or un-sckooled.  
>Leaving the imagination of the individual being the most 
>important tool of the artist to convey the content.
> 
> If one looks at Jimi Hendrix today.  One might think, by your 
> standards, as Jimi passed you by on the street or in the halls 
> UofMaimi, "Huh, a Poser".  But Jimi was no Poser.  If you say 
>he was, I  am going to come over your house, tie you up, and 
>play Nsync videos over and over, with eyes pried open, force 
>feeding a mixture of Tang, cherry Pepsi, cotton candy and 
>Twinkies.  You will changed man, forever 
> and have real bad case of heartburn.

I said that for people in school a poser is some one who is a 
*non musician* (you only read the part about clothing) who might 
happen to wear something to pretend they are. My beef was that 
Berklee admits anybody who owns an instrument as long as 
they have cash, which for me does not integrity for the school 
make.  However, I recognize their need to do this to finance the 
non-poser's scholarships. They are not a University for normal 
people and have to make $ so I can't blame them but it made the 
place unpleasant for me. U of Miami, not having to worry about 
$so much because of the fact that it is a branch of a normal 
people's university, was able to be much more selective about 
who they admit, thus ensuring a higher level from the first 
semester. I know you don't care about that, but that was the 
original discussion.

I have been listening to jimi since I was 3, so no need to come 
over and do your clockwork orange scenario on me, I am a 
devotee but not a copier. So we agree. I was trying to say that 
people in school define poser slightly differently than you.

I am not against flashy clothes, I wear them myself at 
performances. As long as the musician is for real as a musician 
I don't care what they wear.

> Or like when one picks up an excellent fine ass babe, wearing 
>all that  "let's get ta some funky monkey luv".  Yet, finally when 
>you're in bed, she's a freakin' stiff.  All about standard 
>missionary, no 69, no puff  n stuff.  You know, just a mortician's 
>wet dream.  Poser comes to mind in moments like these...of 
>course I am purely speaking from a guys 
> perspective on this.

i thought you were a woman based on your name, oops.

> Britney Spears is a poser.  Paula Cole is not.  But I don't really 
>like either of them.  But I can respect Paula Cole for not lip 
>syncing and dancing around like a hip hop clown.  Yet I am 
>sure that Paula will have a nice long career in music.  Where as 
>Britney could eventually end up on street corner playing 
>"Blowing for Crack".

brittany will probably end up in the movies. brittany's a poser but i 
think she's worked really hard at her shallow craft even though i 
can't stand her. I respect hard work, I just wish she'd put towards 
something she's good at. Paula's a great performer and certainly 
not a poser in any way shape or form. I think she's a great 
writer/musician but I'm not a fan.
> 
> For me, it is about the quality of the music, the quality of the 
> musician's work...not their degree or lack there of.  

of course, I never asserted that a dergree was important. I didn't 
graduate Miami because I  got sick of the politics so if I based 
my opinion of musicians on their degree I would hate myself.

>As Don Juan said 
> to Carlos Castaneda, when Carlos handed Don Juan his 
>second book that  was just published.  Don Juan looked at the 
>cover and skimmed through the pages.  Then said "that's nice, 
>very nice indeed...but here, you keep it, because you know what 
>people do with paper in Mexico."

nice story thanks. I've always thought that a degree is toilet paper 
unless you need it to get the gig you want, like teaching.
> 
> Again, I say this:
> "One then, recognizes the need to be "you" at all times."

agree completely

teddybut who gets all points but is somewhat misunderstood