The Logic Off Topic list

> >I'm not trying to be mean or anything, politics (that have 
> >nothing to do with music) have no place on our music-related 
> >lists. I was going to compare such political threads to OS 
> >wars (as in the end they are equally useless), but at least 
> >OS wars have a little to do with music in a round about way, 
> >while politics are definitely 110% off topic. 

--- In logic-ot@y..., Murray McDowall <murraymc@m...> wrote:
> Hence the term:  Logic -- Off Topic 
> :-)

To me and many others, that Logic in there implies "still somewhat 
related to music." Spam emails are rejected from the LUG since 
they're way off topic, but we don't redirect them over here.. 
 
> Jeremy, I can understand the view you have taken but I would 
> submit that the case is not "open and shut". I don't know if 
> you followed this list last year  but there was a huge 
> politics thread here post 9/11. It did degenerate into some 
> nasty stuff at times but generally it was pretty interesting 
> and a lot of people participated/followed it. 

That's cool, I'll have to check out the archives sometime. Believe it 
or not I've only been a LUG member since December 2001 (and I've only 
owned LAWP since February 2002 for that matter). 
 
> Some members got pissed off and unsubscribed because of the 
> blizzard of mail but there was no general opposition amongst 
> those subscribed to such discussion. In fact, people came out 
> of the woodwork to enter the discussion. -- the group was 
> never more active. Perhaps the [Logic - Politics] thing is not 
> such a bad idea.   I don't want to read hateful email but I 
> wouldn't mind reading more of the thoughts of the others in
> this group on this sort of topic when it comes up.

We do have a great community around here, so I can see why you'd like 
to discuss this with them, but I really don't think Logic-OT is the 
right place. I went ahead and created a Logic-Political list if any 
of you want to hop over there and continue the political talks right 
now. Just send a blank email to l-pol-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or go 
to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/l-pol/join to sign up. If you guys 
could hold your discussions over on the political list, they won't be 
forced upon anyone who doesn't want to read them, and that list will 
stay 100% unmoderated. 
 
> Have people complained to you about the political threads. Do 
> they represent a majority view?  These sorts of threads are 
> running on PC-DAW's main list too where you are also a 
> participant. As others have pointed out, the L-OT was setup to 
> get all these things off the main list. 

No one has complained to us directly, but there were several posts 
made to the list asking people to stop. Also 3 people unsubscribed 
yesterday... Not a huge number, but before yesterday no one had 
unsubscribed for weeks. 

I checked with the other admins who are "ATK" right now and they 
agree completely that politics don't belong on this list. I'm going 
to email Joeri at work to get his opinion, but I'm pretty sure he 
feels the same way after reading his post here yesterday. 

Another reason why I felt I needed to "put my foot down": a very 
similar thread came up on the Logic beta test list about a month ago. 
It started on a Friday evening and over the weekend it "spread like 
wildfire". By the time Emagic employees were around on Monday to put 
a stop to it, it had became *extremely* nasty and even quite racist. 
We really don't need something like that happening here...

All the best,
Jeremy Martin; sadus@...
http://www.carrollsweb.com/sadus