The Logic Off Topic list

--- In logic-ot@y..., Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> I know there are people who tried to send mail to this list which 
> hasn't gotten through because the moderators deemed it 
> inappropriate. I know of a specific case where 
> the "inappropriateness" was nothing more than "disagreeing with the 
> admins", and *that* annoys me even more.  It's still a free 
> society, right?

The only non-political posts I rejected were from Dennis Gunn, just 
calling me "disgusting" more or less, in many different ways - I 
wanted to take that conversation up with him privately as I didn't 
really feel like it belonged on the list. Didn't realize anyone would 
miss that, but since you insist, I won't spare you all from it any 
longer .. 
 
> Probably some of the admins are young and relatively inexperienced, 
> and that could account for some of these happenings.  That's okay 
> with me -- we all gotta learn -- but I think by now it's time the 
> admins should stop the moderation and just admit that they're about 
> to cross a line (or have crossed a line) that shouldn't be crossed.

There are 8 of us admins now, one of whom just arrived back from 
vacation today, but we're almost done discussing this amongst 
ourselves. Regardless of if politics are allowed again on this list 
or not, there consensus so far has been that it was a Good Thing that 
I temporarily moderated the list to put an end to that last nasty 
discussion, and if politics *are* allowed back on this list the same 
thing will happen the next time it gets equally nasty. 

> And then Joeri: no matter how much I like him and respect him (and 
> I truly do), I don't see how his opinion is of much consequence.  
> Joeri stepped back as admin, and we now got to deal 
> with "outselves" -- i.e. new admin team and subscribers.  Joeri's 
> opinion is, in that sense, of no consequence imo.

... which is exactly why Joeri said that he felt that the opinions of 
the other admins who were more heavily involved with this meant more. 

Cheers
Jeremy