The Logic Off Topic list

Hi Guys...

I never really read this list, and I'll tell you why later.  But I was asked to come 
in and be a bit more active for a moment, so here I am. :)

--- In logic-ot@y..., Dennis Gunn <dennisg@a...> wrote:
> >>Jeremy:
> >>a very
> >>similar thread came up on the Logic beta test list about a month ago.
> >>It started on a Friday evening and over the weekend it "spread like
> >>wildfire". By the time Emagic employees were around on Monday to put
> >>a stop to it, it had became *extremely* nasty and even quite racist.
> >
> >Unless there are two beta tester groups this is simply untrue.  In 
> >the one *I* belong to the political threads flair up and die down on 
> >their own and the emagic employees let them live and die their 
> >natural lives.  In the one *I* some posts were moved to another 
> >folder when then thread had gotten long but by that point the 
> >conversation had died on it's own and emagic had nothing to do with 
> >it.

Dennis my love, you know how much you mean to me, but the way it seemed 
to me is that the anti-American, anti-Semetic rhetoric didn't so much die down 
as the number of posts grew so high that the people expressing those views 
were trapped among other diatribes.  And it didn't die down before Sascha 
moved it--it was still going up until the moment that the thread was lifted from 
the active folder and he asked us all to stop.

Now, maybe you feel my understanding of the thread is perhaps comprimised 
by being Jewish.  Fair enough.  My point is not to argue how uncolored my 
politics are.  My point is to illustrate two things: that these things get out of 
hand, and that THIS IS A GROUP PARTAINING TO LOGIC SOFTWARE, not a 
world politics round table.

Why do I not bother around here very often?  Because that's what happens.  
Just when I start getting into some thread about a function in Logic, or future 
directions in computer music, someone who is in love with their own text and 
doesn't have a sense of propriety is going to throw a firery political opinion.  
And I'm always left wondering why they don't join political groups, or if they 
already have, why they feel that they need to sneak in a policy analysis 
between tips and tricks for the Hyper Editor. 

In an ideal world, no moderation would be necessary, because people could 
be trusted to use a "Logic User Group Off Topic" list to discuss those Logic-
related subjects that are veering from the more directed discussions on the 
Logic User Group.  But there's always somebody who things "freedom of 
speech" translates to "listen to anything I have to say about any topic when I 
want to say it because my fetish for voicing opinions on whatever I want 
wherever I want is more important than the topic that binds this group."

So what happens is people like me simply don't come around these parts, 
because of the poor signal-to-noise ratio.  Maybe this is a good thing. ;)  Or 
maybe I might have some insight, tips and tricks, maybe a little wisdom to add.  
But as long as every time I come by there's a platform war, some politics, 
whatever, I'm gone.

***Moderated or unmoderated status, this Logic-OT list will never be a real 
"Logic software lounge" until those of us who have no interested in flaming 
are comfortable we can enjoy ourselves here.***

And Dennis, please lay off Jeremy.   If you feel that he's "mishandling" your 
posts, please take it up with him privately.  He is one of the most sensitive and 
insightful people I know; he's way more level-headed at his age than a lot of 
posters here are who are twice as old.

Love and Rockets,
Elvis