The Logic Off Topic list

On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 07:57  AM, logic-ot@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
>>  who hasn't shared words with Dennis.
>
> The vast and rational majority of LUGers.

Ouch!  LOL.  You fiendish cad!  Did you see that, he stuck me in my 
bum.  Suffice to say, I shall never turn my back to you again.  Take 
that you perpetrator of rebuttal.

Curses!  ...we shall meet again Dennis the Nemesis.

>>   This
>> is true.  One is bound to cross swords with Dennis given to
>> opportunity.  Sooner or later, "ching, ching, ching, ching, ching.
>> Aha, your sword is not match for blade you swine"..."Aha, I beg to
>> differ you cad"...and a back it.  Yet, I think it is really starting 
>> to
>> become the initiation process for the LUG.  "If you haven't cross
>> swords with Dennis the Nemesis, than you are not a true Logic User
>> yet."  But, I certainly didn't mind...I find him rather amusing.  At
>> least he has his own set of balls...that is something that I can
>> respect.
>
> Well anyway thanks for the kind words.  it's nice to know that there
> is a consensus that I am an asshole.

I never said you where an asshole...really you should not read into my 
words so lightly.  I don't regard you as an asshole.  There is a big 
diff if I felt otherwise.  If I felt that way, I would have openly said 
it.

One reason is...though you and I exchanged a few blade swipes in the 
past.  You actually never let your opinion of me sway if I said 
something logical [which is rare, I must admit my guilty pleasure of 
inconsequential].  But as I remember in one set of posts, you proceeded 
a with witty remark toward me, with regards to someone I was instigated 
by.  Yes, it brought out the worst in my demeanor.  But, then you also 
agreed with me on two alternate occasions following with something I 
said to another member on the same topic.  To which I hold this kind of 
behavior as commendable.

Though I don't stand with you on the "Conflict", your opinion being a 
little biased for my taste...but I voiced my stance on that.  I do 
stand with you on the Censorship issue.  But you do have the ability to 
be unbiased with your assessment of others...and that my friend is 
still commendable trait.

Which is probably why your dialogue occasionally puts HK and you at 
odds.  Because he reflects that in his dialogue with others as well.  
Though I think HK has a tendency to be more lenient than you.

Your approach being more like:  You idiot

HK's approach being more like:  Are you absolutely sure you want to say 
that?

I must admit it is amusing.  It gives way to the idea that HK would 
have made a great Diplomat or ambassador.  Where as you would probably 
made a good Judge.  That is without your bias on the "conflict" issue.

It still doesn't change my opinion of you.  One can have any biased 
opinion they want, but when someone says something that is right, and 
another [such as yourself] relinquishes bias and say "your right or you 
have point".  That is a commendable trait.

However, I must agree with what pupkid wrote:
> Plus anything that can get Dennis and Henrik to agree has got to be 
> bad. :)

Yeah, after thinking about it, mod team fucked up.  Early on, I did 
post, then it had been put in cue, as Jeremy informed me that it is to 
be discussed, I did then waver and told Jeremy to delete my post and 
said "screw it, delete it, the fight is out there, not in here".  But 
after thinking about it...I have to agree to NO censorship.  But we 
have to allow for mistakes like this.

So here is a little clipping of what I was saying:
 >>>The "mothers of prevention" wanted to put the music  industry with 
responsibility of not allowing certain material to be glorified or even 
presented to the consumer for albums and videos.  Everything from sex, 
violence to cuss words, etc.  [this would mean, album like the Wall or 
Dark Side of the Moon would then become topics of debate].  Frank 
Zappa, and many others fought against this...why?  For the freedom of 
self expression.  Then a compromise was settled.  Any material should 
be rated and labeled for the consumers benefit.  Allowing the parent to 
censor their children's input.  That was the compromise, that and being 
over 18 to buy certain material.  Like the movie rating system.  No 
censorship, just a warning.

So, to the admins...one thing is to label it "off Topic" or censor 
inappropriate expressions from the LUG.  But the other is to prevent it 
totally from having an avenue of expression.  That is where is becomes 
a rather heated issue.  Yes, I understand it is L-OT.  But it is OT as 
well.<<<

In France the politicians tried to pass bill that would allow French 
business' to take on the American business model.  Which would be, your 
first year at job, no four week vacation pay.  They would have to work 
through to the first year for one week vacation pay for the following 
year, then two years for two week, then five years for three weeks, 
etc.  Just like American business.  However the French people were 
piiiiissed off by this.  They protested and sanctioned business' from 
workers.  The French Government then said..."okay, okay, we got it, we 
won't do this, just come back to work and let's get on with keeping 
things the way they are."  The French people, then turned around and 
basically said, "NO...Fuck you...Now we want five weeks holiday pay".  
LOL.  Effectively, they renegotiated and got the terms of five weeks 
holiday pay.  Which then put the French Government with one valuable 
lesson learned..."boy, better not try that again."

However this story was told to me, so don't know if there is actual 
merit to it.  But if it is true...vive la france...way to go.

LOL.

Peace,
Alexis